Guest Azeikel Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I agree with everyone about the tectonic plates not moving much so the landscape would change very much in that way. However I have always had a hard time visualising what the earth would look like without water so for those like me here's a rendered image I found. http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg431/azeikel/dry-earth11-1.jpg On the Imperial Palace, I wouldn't find it too hard to believe that it stretched from Britain to Burma. However you would expect the throne room to be in the centre (for defence reasons) of the palace, so when you use the distance from Britain to Burma as the radius of a rough circle. It becomes impractical in size, taking up most, if not all, of the Northern Hemisphere. The Distance from Yangon (Myanmar[burma]) to Nottingham is: 5613.5 miles. Using the formula for the area of a circle this would mean that the Imperial palace is roughly 98,995,926.98 square miles in size. Since the earths total area (land and sea) is 196,940,000 the palace would take up 1/2 the earth (196,940,000/98,995,926.98 = 1.98). Sure its the centre of the biggest empire (we know of) in the Galaxy but 1/2 a planet for one palace seems a little over the top. http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg431/azeikel/ImperialPalace.jpg So by this reasoning we have two possible locations for the palace. If the Palace was in Britain when they levelled mount Everest transporting it to Britain would be impractical and time consuming. It is much easier to have building materials on site. Therefore I think it is more likely that the Imperial palace is in the Himalayas. I'd imagine when they thought up the fluff for the Palace someone said it would be funny to have the Throne over Nottingham. They all laughed and thought this sounded good and agreed. Twenty years later they realised it sounded a bit kind of silly and went for the biggest mountain range they could think of. I totally agree with this. :yes: Reading Fulgrim, I came across two more locations to add to the list: Captain Balhaan of the Iron Hands reads about a "sea battle near Euboa, the battle of Artmision". This is, quite obviously, the battle of Artemision in the straight between the island of Euboia and the Greek mainland, which took place at the same date as the battle of Thermopylae. The battle was between the combined Greek fleet (mostly Athenians) and the Persians, and if my histories don't fail me, effectively ended in a sort of draw. I believe you are referring to the Battle of Salamis which was a major Greek victory. They lost ~40 ships while the persians lost ~200 meaning that Xerxes had to supply his army via land with a man made bridge across the Hellespont rather than by sea. You know when you look at Games Workshop fluff it is pretty much every single myth/story they could find mashed together into one. Sometimes I think the challenge is less working out what they have included and where has it come from and more discovering what they haven't ripped off... yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2901541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I believe you are referring to the Battle of Salamis which was a major Greek victory. They lost ~40 ships while the persians lost ~200 meaning that Xerxes had to supply his army via land with a man made bridge across the Hellespont rather than by sea. Seconded.However the battle of Artemision was a naval battle fought simultaneously with the battle of Salamis.Geographically it is as Ufthak describes it. The body count(or rather ship count) was 271 Greek ships and i dont know how many Persian ships were there.It should be noted however that the Persians had lost around 1400 ships due to bad weather and still their armada was many many times more in numbers. The battle of Artemision was a draw and the Greek navy made a withdrawal that the Persian heavy ships were unable to pursue.Pursue though they did and they were led to Salamis were the rest of the Greek navy awaited(though this is not confirmed.Whether this was a tactical maneuver engineered by planning or pure coincidence it has been clarified)and subsequently won the battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2901816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Where did you get that idea from? Not that I don't believe you, just curious about the story behind it. Oh, and in what source is Lutetia mentioned? Suprised you didn't know but it was a founded before the Romans invaded Gaul and then expanded by the Romans - tis modern day Paris. Lutetia I didn't know Lutetia was Paris' predecessor. However, what I meant to ask was in which 40k source is the city mentioned? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2902193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviox Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 In Prospero Burns, pages 68-69, there is a mention of "Karelian Hive" and a street in it called "Aleksanterinkatu". Karelia is a location surrounding the border between eastern Finland and north-western Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia), while Aleksanterinkatu is an oldish street in Finland's capital city of Helsinki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksanterinkatu). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2904483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Karelia hive's pretty big, eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2904541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 A character in Prospero Burns is called Bakunin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 In A Thousand Sons, Magnus mentions, in the context of his "deal with a devil" "the great doctor" Possibly a nod to Faust? There's also a legend of "the Golem of Ingolstadt" who destroyed all his creator loved, before being burned on a polar fire- seems like a nod to Frankenstein. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvitrValdyr Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 There's also a legend of "the Golem of Ingolstadt" who destroyed all his creator loved, before being burned on a polar fire- seems like a nod to Frankenstein. Definately, Ingolstadt is the setting for Frankenstein. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 The War Memorial in Albia - most probably nothing in particular Edit: It's been covered on page 2 :( so ignore me! Think i'm guna go through all the HH books so far and look for clues on Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 from prospero burns, i'm quite impressed they found "all 3 of Shakespire's plays" - lol!! just goes to show what they think they know, and have really actually lost. still to have them after 30K years is impressive. much like the van gogh and da vinci paintings in malacdor's suite. One of the plays is certainly Hamlet. I seem to remember another one being mentioned, possibly King Lear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haniboll Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 from prospero burns, i'm quite impressed they found "all 3 of Shakespire's plays" - lol!! just goes to show what they think they know, and have really actually lost. still to have them after 30K years is impressive. much like the van gogh and da vinci paintings in malacdor's suite. One of the plays is certainly Hamlet. I seem to remember another one being mentioned, possibly King Lear. What was the other painting in Malcadors suite. "The old fleshy, rheumy man cast in shadow, tobacco brown?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 from prospero burns, i'm quite impressed they found "all 3 of Shakespire's plays" - lol!! just goes to show what they think they know, and have really actually lost. still to have them after 30K years is impressive. much like the van gogh and da vinci paintings in malacdor's suite. One of the plays is certainly Hamlet. I seem to remember another one being mentioned, possibly King Lear. What was the other painting in Malcadors suite. "The old fleshy, rheumy man cast in shadow, tobacco brown?" Van Gogh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 from prospero burns, i'm quite impressed they found "all 3 of Shakespire's plays" - lol!! just goes to show what they think they know, and have really actually lost. still to have them after 30K years is impressive. much like the van gogh and da vinci paintings in malacdor's suite. One of the plays is certainly Hamlet. I seem to remember another one being mentioned, possibly King Lear. What was the other painting in Malcadors suite. "The old fleshy, rheumy man cast in shadow, tobacco brown?" Van Gogh? Caravaggio's Cruxifiction of St Peter? Certainly, of all artists, he deserves to be remembered. EDIT: Added a link. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Terra in 41st millenium Picture of where the palace etc is on Terra in the 41st millenium Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Yeah, but since we can't see any land mass details, that image is completely useless except as an indicator of scale. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2905983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Yeah, but since we can't see any land mass details, that image is completely useless except as an indicator of scale. ^_^ Still gives you an idea as to where they are :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2906549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Yeah, but since we can't see any land mass details, that image is completely useless except as an indicator of scale. :) Still gives you an idea as to where they are ^_^ Not really....how can you know where they are if there's no point of reference? That map is pretty much useless. It doesn't show size, position on the earth in relation to continents or anything. It is pretty much the most useless fluff piece ever released from Games Workshop. I mean, is the centre of that dusty circle the north pole, or america etc...we dont know, all we know is that they are all about as far away as you can get tehm on a circle away from each other. When they finally release the Siege of Terra, I'd like to see a map of maybe unit deployment, major conflict etc, basically a campaign map of Terra as maybe a source book sorta thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2906597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haniboll Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I am reading "The Outcast Dead" right now, I am like, 1/5th into it, I have NO IDEA what is going on, but I am loving all the earth references. I had a ton more typed and I remembered the spoilers thing. How to I do the blacky outy thingy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2908102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 The Emperor's Throne Room roughly corresponds to modern day Lenton, Nottingham, UK. No prizes for guessing why... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2908281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponAdept Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I have always assumed form the books that the Imperial Palace was constructed in the Himalayas and spread out from there. Terra is almost completely turned over to the running of the REST OF THE GALAXY. The Imperial Palace isn't just the Golden Throne, it's the seat of government for a million planets. I recal reading that the Palace covers nearly a third of Terras surface. Makes sense really. My question is; How big is the machinery that constitues the golden throne? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2908404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 The Emperor's Throne Room roughly corresponds to modern day Lenton, Nottingham, UK. No prizes for guessing why... Yep. :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2908470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 The Emperor's Throne Room roughly corresponds to modern day Lenton, Nottingham, UK. No prizes for guessing why... Yep. :) This is fan speculation, at no point has it been published. As I said in a previous post, it was something joked about while I worked at head office but I don't ever recall it being canon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2908521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 This is fan speculation, at no point has it been published. As I said in a previous post, it was something joked about while I worked at head office but I don't ever recall it being canon. It has been said on previous occasions by Andy Chambers and Phil Kelly - that was what sparked off the debate originally. As far as i remember, although it was years ago so i can't be accurate, it was in one of the White Dwarf magazines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2909930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I'm about halfway through The Outcast Dead, and there is a step-by-step walk-through of someone's path from Italy to the Himalayas, where the Palace is located. So I think that settles that issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2909963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I'm about halfway through The Outcast Dead, and there is a step-by-step walk-through of someone's path from Italy to the Himalayas, where the Palace is located. So I think that settles that issue. Well, seeing the Palace stretches from England to Burma as already stated, that doesn't settle the issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186334-ancient-terra/page/6/#findComment-2910238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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