Commander MindSight Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 So I've been playing around with Stormcaller, he's terrible fun and annoys the opponent. But I'm wondering if 270 points can go towards something more then just two wounds. So Wolf Lord, Battle Leader? Maybe have fun with Ulrik? Thunder Hammer or Wolf Claw? Is a Storm Shield a must have? What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I feel (and its just my humble opinion) that the Runepriest with chooser is the best bang for your buck. Anything else besides a stock standard wolfpriest leading bloodclaws typically needs at least a few upgrades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrchief33 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Any HQ can be justified as the best for the points if you use them right. For me, its a wolf priest (among generic HQs). Not the cc beast that lords and battle leaders can be, but the effect he has for a joined squad is something I find very useful. Wolf priests really don't need wargear. The only thing I'd take at times is meltabombs, or a jump pack/bike assuming you want to lead a unit of that type. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VorpalDoom Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Without a doubt, Rune Priests and Wolf Priests. They can complement your army in a plethora of ways, and are very inexpensive for their effectiveness. If you want a powerful melee "character" I'd stick with the Fast Attach choice of a single Thunderwolf Cavalry with Storm Shield + Thunderhammer. Cheap, powerful, and scary. If anything, it will draw enough fire to let your infantry move into position. I run with 3 of these guys, 2 Rune Priests and 2 Wolf Priests... it's amazingly deadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 It depends on how many points you want to throw into an HQ whats best for its points. 100pts, no more? A Rune Priest without a doubt. No more than 150, but more than 100- Wolf Priest, or a WGBL. 150-210, a Wolf Lord, or a pimped out Rune Priest. More than 220? Njal, Bjeorn, TWM WL, Logan. But thats just my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 For the points: Wolf Lord (with saga of the bear). For effectiveness: Definately rune priest, terminator armour, chooser of the slain, JOTWW & LivingLightning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 It depends on how many points you want to throw into an HQ whats best for its points. 100pts, no more? A Rune Priest without a doubt. No more than 150, but more than 100- Wolf Priest, or a WGBL. 150-210, a Wolf Lord, or a pimped out Rune Priest. More than 220? Njal, Bjeorn, TWM WL, Logan. But thats just my opinion. Basically what Grey Mage said... The "best" HQ depends on the amount of points as well as the rest of your army If you are talking less than 270 points in a vacuum without taking into account any other unit synergy for your army then I have 2 candidates: -Bjorn with his plasma cannon -4 attacks using DDCW (S10 ignore armor save) -13 armor value -Venerable so he gets to force rerolls on damage table (odds don't favor 2 destruction results) -Ward of the primarch gives an invulnerable save in addition to his 13 armor AND venerable bonus You can also tool up a Wolf Lord to be a melee nightmare 265-Wolf Lord + Frost Axe + Thunder hammer + Belt of Russ + WTT + TWM + Saga of Warrior or Bear -He can choose to use S6 at I5 or the S10 at I1...both ignore armor (poor man's version of Logan's axe of Morkai) -Sagas just add to his awesomeness. Warrior gives potential to singlehandedly wipe out entire units of infantry before they strike back while Bear almost guarantees he will get to use his TH so he can go MC and IC hunting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 For cost efficiency it's hard to beat a Rune or Wolf priest. Rune priests make excellent ranged support caracters and add a non-negligeable CC punch. At 110pts with a chooser, they are a great deal. For combat support, Wolf Priests are really good. Power weapon, inv save and the whole squad rerolls to hit (assuming you're hitting you're preffered type). That being said though, it's hard to ignore the pure killiness of a Wolf Lord. Sure, they can get expensive, but even under 200pts they can totally tear up just about anything that's not an MC or a landraider. Mine has a Frost Axe, Belt of russ and saga of the warrior ... even the best power armor dumps a load when he comes runnin'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 It depends on how many points you want to throw into an HQ whats best for its points. 100pts, no more? A Rune Priest without a doubt. No more than 150, but more than 100- Wolf Priest, or a WGBL. 150-210, a Wolf Lord, or a pimped out Rune Priest. More than 220? Njal, Bjeorn, TWM WL, Logan. But thats just my opinion. Yep, yep, my opinion as well. Over all not considering points, Logan and his special rules makes him the best HQ choice we have. Turing WG in scoring troops and his ability to hit at str 5 Int 5 or Str 8 Int 1 makes him worth his points, all the other goodness he brings to the table is just icing on the cake. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2205955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Well, that's one of the great things about our new codex, depending on what it is that you need for your army, every one of our HQ choices is excellent; we don't have any that are worthless. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2206025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 125 points, Wolf Priest with a jump pack. My Wolf Lord is a hard core biker with saga of the warrior born. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2206520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurick Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Pardon me for being the new guy, but what does the Wolf Priest have that gives it the advantage over a Rune Priest? With the abilities they have access to as a psyker, as well as being able to counterspell your enemy's psyker, I would think the Rune Priest would pull out way ahead over the Wolf Priest. Is prefered enemy status and a +4 Invul save that good? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2206525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Pardon me for being the new guy, but what does the Wolf Priest have that gives it the advantage over a Rune Priest? With the abilities they have access to as a psyker, as well as being able to counterspell your enemy's psyker, I would think the Rune Priest would pull out way ahead over the Wolf Priest. Is prefered enemy status and a +4 Invul save that good? And Fearless, dont forget Fearless. And yes, it can be. Its very much a solid, durable, support character. Emphasis on Durable. Not to mention most of us have one, while Rune Priests were much less used these last six years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2206562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I still love using Ragnar since he is a beast, but he needs the right core around him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2206571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 WGBL has Initiative 5 and 2 Wounds for 70pts. Which is nice. Wolf Priest makes any unit he is with a horrific prospect. Rune Priest is good but in mechanized lists you can live without the dispell. When I want the best value I go for a Wolf Priest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2206603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Best HQ for the Points : Whatever you feel goes with your army, and can actually kill stuff the way you want. Trust me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2206780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tiger Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 which one do you have more fun using? when you asnwer that then you shall know which is the best Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2207016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 265-Wolf Lord + Frost Axe + Thunder hammer + Belt of Russ + WTT + TWM + Saga of Warrior or Bear-He can choose to use S6 at I5 or the S10 at I1...both ignore armor (poor man's version of Logan's axe of Morkai) -Sagas just add to his awesomeness. Warrior gives potential to singlehandedly wipe out entire units of infantry before they strike back while Bear almost guarantees he will get to use his TH so he can go MC and IC hunting. The TH would be S9, as wargear bonuses are added after S doubling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2208446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Some people say that a ThunderWolf gives you straith T5 and S5, meaning S 10 Thunderhammers and S10 to insta-gib. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2208562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotspur Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I run a decked out RP. I equip him like this: Master of Runes Runic Armor Plasma Pistol Chooser of the Slain Storm Caller Living Lightning He seems to rack up a pretty impressive tally whenever I play; plus the cover save he gives to squads within 6" (b/c of SC) has saved my bacon more than once. I really like the RA b/c it gives a 2+ armor save and a 5+ psychic save; it definitely enhances his durability. Chooser of the slain makes your units pretty deadly at range. But, like others have said, all of our HQs are good; it just depends on what your army is geared to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2208908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 A rune priest with chooser of the slain, living lightning and jaws of the world wolf is all i need for a 1500 point game ^^. For everything else there's logan and njal B) thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2208914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 265-Wolf Lord + Frost Axe + Thunder hammer + Belt of Russ + WTT + TWM + Saga of Warrior or Bear-He can choose to use S6 at I5 or the S10 at I1...both ignore armor (poor man's version of Logan's axe of Morkai) -Sagas just add to his awesomeness. Warrior gives potential to singlehandedly wipe out entire units of infantry before they strike back while Bear almost guarantees he will get to use his TH so he can go MC and IC hunting. The TH would be S9, as wargear bonuses are added after S doubling. To add to what Grey Mage said I would direct you to this forum's FAQ and specifically the TWC army listing in the codex. One strong indication that you get a true profile increase is S5/T5 TWC on the very same page as the S4(5)/S4(5) Swiftclaw Biker Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2208953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 And to rehash the other side of the argument briefly, TWC dont have TWMs as wargear anywhere. *spreads hands*. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2209148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 And to rehash the other side of the argument briefly, TWC dont have TWMs as wargear anywhere. *spreads hands*. Which leads us to the wargear listing that appears to address that when it states the improvement is to the character's "profile" Compared to bikes that expressly state they do not change the results of instant death One of the resident wolf lords should seek a position with GW to remedy all these issues or at the very least unleash the exterminatus sock Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2209169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 FAQ should be out before newyears *crosses fingers*. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186508-best-hq-for-the-points/#findComment-2209178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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