ChainsawDR Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Hi all, Does a Chooser of the Slain increase a Rune Priests LOS? For example, if a Rune Priest was behind a wall in a corner and cant see any models, but the Chooser of the Slain is in the enemies deployment zone and can see every enemy model, can the Rune Priest shoot living lightning at enemy models? I ask because I often play against Eldar and Dark Reapers are placed out of view, however if a CotS was placed on his board edge then it's more difficult for him to hide them from attack. Thanks ChainsawDR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Yep, provided you follow the rules for placing the chooser, your rune priest can stay out of site (not very honourable) and living lightning anything the chooser has LOS to. I tend to stick mine in with my devestator squads, and the chooser mid board, or on one flank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 thanks nurglespuss. I agree it would be very dishonourable and would not run him that way - it was an extreme example to help clarify the question. Against Eldar and Eldrad, I need him in the front lines to 4+ psyker powers were he can so he'll never be hiding. May I ask how you'd justify CotS granting LOS to an opponent? the codex only says... Should the Rune Priest make a shooting attack at a target that has line of site to the Chooser marker, he may treat his BS as one higher than normal. on the one hand the lack of the word "also" - i.e "Should the Rune Priest make a shooting attack at a target that also has line of site to the Chooser marker, he may treat his BS as one higher than normal." - implies that he can shoot with only CotS LOS. However on the other hand, common sense says that the +1 to BS is because there is an extra pair of eyes on the target, not just/only the Choosers eyes. It's a tricky one and it'd be good to know how to convince an opponent of this. Thanks ChainsawDR Edit: typo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 on another note, for living lightning power, does it not feel like a waste sticking him in a long fangs squad? it means he has to shoot at the same target as the Long Fangs (even though they have split fire) - and if only the RP can see a target via the Chooser marker - then it means at least one of your long fangs isn't firing that turn. Personally I have a 5 man GH squad with Plasma gun that the Rune Priest is attached to, in objective games they sit back holding home objective and protect the RP, whilst in kill point games they run forward and protect the RP - leaving my Long Fangs to fire away at full power. This way I can target 3 seperate units rather than only 2 if he were attached to the Long Fangs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Yep, provided you follow the rules for placing the chooser, your rune priest can stay out of site (not very honourable) and living lightning anything the chooser has LOS to. I tend to stick mine in with my devestator squads, and the chooser mid board, or on one flank. No. The Rune Priest still has to have LOS to target a unit with a shooting psychic power; he'll get a +1 to his Ballistic Skill if his Chooser happens to have LOS to the target unit too. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 No. The Rune Priest still has to have LOS to target a unit with a shooting psychic power; he'll get a +1 to his Ballistic Skill if his Chooser happens to have LOS to the target unit too. V This is my interpretation as well. COTS is more of a bonus than a replacement for LOS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 No. The Rune Priest still has to have LOS to target a unit with a shooting psychic power; he'll get a +1 to his Ballistic Skill if his Chooser happens to have LOS to the target unit too. V This is my interpretation as well. COTS is more of a bonus than a replacement for LOS I agree with this as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 i am with those who say"no" the RP only get's the bonus if both can see the enemy. plus i belive since the CotS is modeled on a different base, they are there for different models. so yeah as Valrian said, the RP need los to shoot at a target. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Bugger, I misenterpreted that rule! On re-reading it I quite agree, the Rune priest must also have LOS to the target to BS5 bonus. Serves me right for reading it once! Cheers. I'll still keep my rune priest back with my long fangs though (not as part of the unit, just with them) becasuse of the range of living lightning, but also because I don't really want him in combat as such, as I'm using Gunna Redmoons company, I have him advising the longfangs of upcoming targets etc. cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 cheers for the replies guys. I'll still keep my rune priest back with my long fangs though (not as part of the unit, just with them) becasuse of the range of living lightning, but also because I don't really want him in combat as such, as I'm using Gunna Redmoons company, I have him advising the longfangs of upcoming targets etc. cheers! ah yes, that makes good sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186608-chooser-of-the-slain-los-rules/#findComment-2206752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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