Using allies with WH

[Brother Grunt]

I'm long time Black Templar player who loves having "nuns with gun" cleanse the path before my Templars with holy fire. But I've always long for having full access to the WH codex instead of bits and peices of it. I was woundering the following.

 

If I created a WH army then took Space Marine allies would I be able to select a particular chapter i.e. my Black Templar or do I have to use units from C:SM?

 

Having a WH dev squads support 20man templar squads would be most awsome indeed. or hell even rolling squads of Repentica WOOT! :P

[number6]

You can't play a WH base army with any Sisters units and also induct Space Marines. (And in any case, inducted Space Marines are always just plain vanilla ones from the base Space Marine codex.)

 

But you CAN do the reverse: build a base Templars army and use the allies rules to ally in several Sisters units.

[Xelloss]

It is also my opinion sisters look good with BT... If you want to include an allied force to your templars, I suggest you either :

- 2 immolators (canoness with retinue, dominion full flamers) in a mech BT army

- footslog sisters in a BT horde army (more 3+ saves for 5 pts less - to guard the rear or your force for exemple)

[Inquisitor Fox]

You can actually get three Immolators by also taking Celestians as your Elite's choice, who can have their own transport.

 

Another option is if you're foot slogging a large group of Battle Sisters, is to add an HQ WH Priest to them (who does NOT take up your 0-1 HQ allied slot which has been clarified in FAQ's as well), which would unlock Arco-flagellants as an allied Elite's choice. A very tempting option indeed! This should also draw some heat away from your marines, and heck.. if they don't shoot the Arco's the first game, they'll learn soon enough :)

[MadCowCrazy]

Well, you could go the odd way about it.

 

Do a Deamonhunters main army and bring it allies from WH and SM. This way you can have both Battle Sisters and SM in the same army. You would lose about 150points on Deamonhunter units though (1 IQL and 2 IQSTroopers).

 

This works the other way as well, if you want SM and Grey Knights in the same army. Do a Witch Hunter main army and bring in allied Grey Knights and SM. But as before you lose some 150points on an Inquisitor Lord and 2 Inq Stormtroopers.

[jeffersonian000]

Actually, Madcowcrazy, you're a bit off. In order for to have Sisters, Grey Knights and Space Marines in the same army the parent army needs to be any Space Marine army (codex, BA, BT, DA, or SW) with allied Sister and Grey Knight units.

 

You won't be able to ally Grey Knights into a WH army (or Sisters into a DH army) with Allied Space Marines, since Allied Space Marines are a group of units that may be selected within a 'Hunter codex army list that specifically exclude the inclusion of Sister or Grey Knight units.

 

SJ

[MadCowCrazy]

Well, that is true, but afaik it only counts for the parent army.

 

In the WH codex it says you cannot have Sisters and SM in the same army, but it does not say you cant have SM and Grey Knights. So afaik you would be able to take both SM and GK if your parent army are WH.

 

Like wise if your parent army was Deamonhunters, it says you cant have SM and GK in the same army, but afaik it doesnt say you cant have Sisters and SM allies together.

[jeffersonian000]

In the 5th edition DH FAQ, under the heaing of Allies:

 

"Allies

Q. If an army has Daemonhunters or Witch

Hunters allies, can it take any other type of

allies?

A. No, unless these are also Inquisitorial units, or

unless they are members of a separate

Detachment. This is stated in Codex: Witch

Hunters, and has been added to the Allies box on

page 21 of Codex: Daemonhunters for its second

print run."

 

DH codex, pg 21, under using Daemonhunters as Allies:

 

"Daemonhunters cannot ally with a force that uses any other type of ally with the exception of separate detachments and unts from other Ordos of the Inquisition"

 

DH codex, pg 21, under using Allied Space Marines:

 

"Alled Space Marines may not by used if Grey Knights are present in the Daemonhunters force."

 

The same information is repeated in regards to Witch Hunters, Sisters of Battle, and Allied Marines on pg 25 of the WH Codex.

 

In short, you may ally 0-1 HQ, 0-1 Elite, 0-2 Troops, and 0-1 Fast DH unit selections into a SM or IG list as well as 0-1 HQ, 0-1 Elite, 0-2 Troops, and 0-1 Fast WH unit selections in the same list, yet an never ally SM units into a DH or WH list that also includes GK and/or SoB, and you can never ally SM units with IG units through a DH or WH list.

 

Which means that in order to have Knights, Sisters, and Marines in the same list, you have to take a Marine parent list. It also means that DH units can not ally into a WH list if Inducted Guard units are present, not can WH units ally with DH if IG are present. It's complex, and can be confusing, but there are no loopholes that allow you to slip in an odd unit of GK into a WH list with Allied Space Marnes.

 

SJ

[MadCowCrazy]

"Allied Space Marines may not by used if Grey Knights are present in the Daemonhunters force."

 

"Allied Space Marines may not be used if any Adepta Sororitas units are present in the Witch Hunters force"

 

These are the two rules, but what exactly does it mean by "force", does it mean parent army (as I interpret it) of either DH or WH or does it mean included in the unit list?

 

As I read these rules it does not say you cant have both SM and GK in your Witch Hunters list and the same goes for SM and Sisters in a Deamonhunter list.

 

 

"No, unless these are also Inquisitorial units, or unless they are members of a separate Detachment"

With Inquisitorial units what exactly are they refering to? Inquisitorial Storm Troopers? or does Inducted IG/SM count?

Separate Detachment? What does that mean? a separate detachement of IG and SM or does it mean something completly different?

 

 

"Daemonhunters cannot ally with a force that uses any other type of ally with the exception of separate detachments and unts from other Ordos of the Inquisition"

With this one Im not sure on what they mean with "separate detachments", do they mean SM and IG?

 

If Im right then this means if you are witch hunters (Ordo Hereticus) that you can take a "separate detachment" of Space Marines and some Ordo Malleus units (Grey Knights).

Likewise if your main army was Ordo Malleus could you take a "separate detachment" of Space Marines and some Ordo Hereticus units (Sisters of Battle).

 

This is the way I have interpreted the rules, now point me to where I can read exactly what they mean with "separate detachment".

 

 

Sigh, Im going to call GW tomorrow and ask them directly, will write what they tell me.

 

It seems you are right, SM and WH/DH cant be in the same army.

 

What about Imperial Guard? Can I have a WH army with IG and GK allies?