jadex1 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Hey do i have a question about Land Speeder Typhoons; i was trying to build my army on army builder and when i was creating my land speeders it was only allowing me one typhoon missile launcher. Then i went to the spacewolves book and i can't figure out the wording. Are we only allowed one typhoon missle launcher in a squad of land speeders? thanks guys Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrchief33 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I don't know anything about army builder as I've never used it but no, there is no limit to having typhoon armed speeders in a squadron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2208448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Armybuilder is made by a group of volunteers, it is in no way official, gauranteed correct, or gospel. "Any Land Speeder may replace its heavy bolter with:" "Any Land Speeder may be upgraded to a Land Speeder Tornado armed with one of the following:" "Alternatively a landspeeder may be upgraded to a Landspeeder Typhoon armed with:" Thus, what its saying is- any speeder can switch out its weapons for X points, and/or get a second weapon for X points, no problem. However, if you take a Typhoon it has to keep its heavy bolter. You cant upgrade it, nor can you get a third heavy weapon. Wich is sad. Id like a HF Typhoon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2208556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotspur Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Armybuilder is made by a group of volunteers, it is in no way official, gauranteed correct, or gospel. "Any Land Speeder may replace its heavy bolter with:" "Any Land Speeder may be upgraded to a Land Speeder Tornado armed with one of the following:" "Alternatively a landspeeder may be upgraded to a Landspeeder Typhoon armed with:" Thus, what its saying is- any speeder can switch out its weapons for X points, and/or get a second weapon for X points, no problem. However, if you take a Typhoon it has to keep its heavy bolter. You cant upgrade it, nor can you get a third heavy weapon. Wich is sad. Id like a HF Typhoon. I think you can actually switch out the HB for a MM b/c that option is listed in a separate section before the option to take a TML. You just can't take a third heavy weapon, like Mage said. I could be wrong, though, so please correct me if I am. If I am wrong, that means I've been using LSTs w/ TMLs and MMs for a while and nobody has said anything...oops! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2208751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 A landspeeder could mean only 1 in the squad. I think space marines can only get 1 typhoon in a squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2208752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadex1 Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Ya i think you might only be able to have one typhoon in a squad. it says and "a" landspeeder may be upgraded to a typhoon, which makes it sound like only one can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 A landspeeder could mean only 1 in the squad. I think space marines can only get 1 typhoon in a squad. Nope, C:SM can have any number of them, its listed under second weapon options though, so the entry is different. *sighs* Of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I just checked the IA 2 update, and it allows any number of typhoons in a squadron. Based on that (and Grey Mage's post on the marine dex), I'd have no problem giving the same to the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Can somebody share his experience - I'm facing a dilemma, which variant to use - MM/HF speeder (70 points) or MM/TML speeder (100 points)? The last variant seems very expensive and it's pure antitank, which I would solve with MG wolf scouts and droppoding MM dreadnought ... I am also hesitating, because I intend to use TML plastic as a conversion for TDA mounted CML set, which is otherwise novadays very difficult to put your hands on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 MM/HF is better in my opinion. Good all arounder, cheaper. Typhoons are good, but with heavy bolters- then you can switch to frags and fire everything while moving 12" and still be quite effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Typhoons are good, but with heavy bolters- then you can switch to frags and fire everything while moving 12" and still be quite effective. Thanks! Good point about typhoons and HB actually... I am not concerned about modelling, since I made my LSP entirely magnetised, I just want to weight all pros and cons, before cutting TML sprue bits and re-modelling them entirely. Or I could try to figure out how to make the same set for TDA as CML and LSP:T... The whole thing about using magnets now is very exciting and confusing at the same time B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 So to clarify; 1. How many typhoons can be taken in a space wolves (not space marine) army? is it 'A' land speeder, or all three? (not sure til I get home to codex after work) 2. Can the typhoon have '3' heavy weapons? (I say no). 3. Which is better heavy bolter or multimelta? (I agree with Greymage; better to keep mobility and have high rate of fire). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I agree with you nurglepuss, the wording "alternatively" definitely implies instead of being a tornado you can make it a typhoon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I agree with you nurglepuss, the wording "alternatively" definitely implies instead of being a tornado you can make it a typhoon. So basically, that means that we can have three Typhoons per squadron. And You can have HF Typhoon, btw for 90 points in total. The upgrade in the standard version from HB to HF is free. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Ahh... but alternatively could also mean you cant change the primary armament. I dont agree with that interpretation, but as it hasnt come up locally Im not sure I want to bring it up... wich means not taking the option, as I wouldnt feel right otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Ahh... but alternatively could also mean you cant change the primary armament. I dont agree with that interpretation, but as it hasnt come up locally Im not sure I want to bring it up... wich means not taking the option, as I wouldnt feel right otherwise. You have a point surely, since it's all under the same entry "Options". At the same time, I thought that "alternatively" refers to second HW upgrades only. Namely, You can tinkle with primary HW without any restrictions since that comes under the "basic Land Speeder STC :)". If You consider additional upgrades for HW, You could buy either Tornado or Typhoon. But I agree, You can read it in both ways. It's just usage of verb "replace" in the first sentence, whereas later the verb "may be upgraded" is used both times, which may imply that "alternatively" refers to ways of "being upgraded". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Ahh... but alternatively could also mean you cant change the primary armament. I dont agree with that interpretation, but as it hasnt come up locally Im not sure I want to bring it up... wich means not taking the option, as I wouldnt feel right otherwise. Yep thats my thinking too Grey Mage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I've been running MM/TML varients. They are loners because I wasn't sure of the ruling. An interesting idea I'm going to be trying is sticking a Rune Priest on a Bike with Living Lightning, Storm Caller, and Master of Runes inbetween the Land Speeders. 4 Str 8 Shots and D6 Str 7 a turn with a cover save on everything seems pretty good. It's a little pricey, all three units coming to a total of 385. At one point last game I had, the Rune Priest, 2 Land Speeders, 2 Dreadnoughts, and Bjorn all had Storm Caller on them. That front was the main focus of the enemy's fire. The Cover Save helped a lot. Anyone else think that's a viable option to keep Land Speeders safer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2209833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Id rather just use cover and tough in your face units to distract from/protect my speeders, but thats me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2210339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I just use them as cheap distractions/annoyances. Unless playing eldar where their mission is dark reaper and Dcannon hunting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186756-land-speeders/#findComment-2210620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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