Please Brothers

[Hidden Wolf]

i came up against a necron player that was using 3 monoliths and the night bringer 2 squads of warriours a unit of destroyers? and a necron lord IN 1500 POINTS

 

So i decided to ask my brothers for help how do you kill this i dont care how cheezy or cheap it is i want to find out how to beat it

 

i got an idea how to but want to see what other peoples ideas are.

[antique_nova]

aaa i sniped the ctan gods and necron lords in two games with the rune priest with jotww :P. I will PM you the list that has helped me crush the necrons.

thanks

antique_nova

[Thorgad]

I've never actually played a single game versus Necrons in all of my Warhammering years, but I can still tell you exactly what to do: Kill his warriors.

 

If he's only got two squads of Warriors, he'll be phasing out before you can say "more ale and wenches!"

[JamesI]

1500 points with a CTAN and 3 monoliths? Go for the necrons, you probably only need to kill 12 or so to get a phase out. Ignore the big stuff. And JOTWW would work great against Necrons, most have really poor init.

[Night Runner]

Check out this link. The guy seems to know what he is talking about. As for me , I've never played necrons.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=186628

[BrotherLoki]

I honesly don't know how well this would work, but if you can manage to avoid the monoliths and nightbringer (they're fairly slow) and concentrate your entire effort on wiping out the warriors (assault them with large units or lots of power weapons to wipe them out and prevent WBB) you should be able to force phase out fairly easily. Your army only really has 2 targets.

 

This gets a lot harder if the opponent castles up and keeps everything close together though.

[Hidden Wolf]

The thing was he was hiding everything but his destoyers behind 2 monoliths in a corner and he had the other one chasing down my GH with s9 ap3 large blast template

 

P.S thanks for the help

[Hotspur]

Like everyone else, I'm going to suggest you go for the phase out. That should be fairly easy if he only has two squads of warriors. I say load up on plasma guns and cannons and blast those metal b--tards into oblivion!

[Brother Nihm]

What's your list like?

do you have anything fast that packs a punch? (speeders, skyclaws, bikes etc.)

Any infiltrator/outflankers?

 

If you barrel your forces toward his warriors and ignore everything else, kill 75% of them and you auto-win. (he can of course teleport them, so having the above mentioned units makes this a whole lot easier).

 

It doesn't matter if you lose 99% of your army or don't complete the mission objectives, as long as you kill 75% of what is considered true Necrons you'll get a Phaseout win.

 

I've fought 2x 'Lith, Nightbringer lists before and have never had any issues reaching the Phaseout threshold, it's simply too many points spent on 'shiny stuff', leaving him with too few bodies on the table.

[Prot]

Gees, I wish I faced such foolish Necron Lords! :)

 

Typically when you face this sort of list you completely ignore all the heavy pointed stuff and go directly to the 'phase out' tactic. He should know the number. Ask him what it is before the game starts. Do the math in your head.... find the softest infantry target and kick him in the junk (literally).

 

It really is -that- simple. With a Wolves army you should have no trouble taking down 15-20 models in close combat.

[Kenmichi]

If he's castling behind the Monoliths you'll want to fight back with a drop pod list, that way you control the ebb and tide of the battle. If he was hiding behind 2 Monoliths while chasing you with the other, send a Dreadnought at it to tie it up and if you're lucky you'll destroy it, otherwise you knock it out of commission for the rest of the game.

 

Scouts might be frugal but it'll give you an opportunity to either tie up another monolith or destroy it. At that point you just have to worry about 1 monolith and the destroyers. At that point, rhino rush with some vindicators as support, before you know it you'll be assaulting the warriors and ripping them apart. That's what I would do with my own list (mechanized company).

 

Although if he's packing his army that tightly together, a rune priest of JOTWW would probably win the game with a single shot.

[Oldenhaller]

Another option when castled in a corner is a lord with frost blade, saga of the hunter and wrecking house...although JotWW against I2 infantry is just wrong on so many levels - put him in a drop pod and watch your opponnent's face burst into tears

 

~O

[zaltarech]

or logan and oh say 5 las LF pack and a cyclone wg with tank hunter aughta hurt some monolith, or even a dp foehammer from arjac lol

[Lumdin]

Phase out comes from the 75% of warriors on the table or number of infantry models?

 

I thought destroyers even they they move like jetbikes they are considered infantry and susceptible to JOWW.

 

 

 

You could cheese and have two drop pods with a rune priest in each both having joww and a second different pyschic power and take out most of his army in his corner of the table.

[antique_nova]

that isn't cheese at all. but then again i don' think anythings cheese lol. but RP are the way to go.

[JamesI]

Phase out comes from the 75% of warriors on the table or number of infantry models?

 

I thought destroyers even they they move like jetbikes they are considered infantry and susceptible to JOWW.

 

 

 

You could cheese and have two drop pods with a rune priest in each both having joww and a second different pyschic power and take out most of his army in his corner of the table.

destroyers as jetbikes are immune to JOTWW. But phase out is based on the number of necrons, which would be warriors, destroyers and lord based on the list presented.

[rodgers37]

It really must be one of the easiest games ever..... if you have enough long range fire power (3 squads of Long Fangs, a rune priest or two ect...) you could kill him first turn... (well techinically second turn, as the can't faze out untill after WBB i think) so just kill the warriors and destroyers, if you have ML/LC killing some, they won't get back up.... failing this, just assualt them, try to only kill 4/5, then the whole squad will be wiped when you catch them after combat :tu:

[Ryzouken]

Monoliths are supposed to be on bases meaning your troopers can see under them and tag the enemy in the foot. So shoot the necrons to pieces. They'll get 3+ arm and 4+ cover, but you only have to kill 15 models to phase him. If he doesn't have his monoliths on bases, tell him to get them on bases and insist that you can see under them (because you should be able to, if your guys aren't elevated.)

 

Otherwise, drop pods and heavy weapons should see you through. Just ignore the C'tan and the Liths.

 

EDIT: okay, slightly more than 15 models. But the point still stands.

[Lumdin]

Then the necron player i played against was wrong, because he was the one that let me know that destroyers were susceptible to JOWW because they count as infantry.

 

Not a necron player and have never looked at their codex.

[Wolf Lord Jukes]

A tactic I used recently to deal with a C'Tan is feeding it a 15 man blood claw pack. With ATSKNF and the C'Tan's high Init value you should become fearless and tar pit the thing for a long time. Then it's really just a matter of getting your grey hunters up and destroying everything in close combat. I've only ever lost once against Necrons since their codex came out (I did lose against their old pre-codex list quite a bit though LOL it took me a while to figure them out). Space Wolves are practically built to take them on. Monoliths are neigh invincible to shooting, so I never shoot at them anymore. Even if your list included a Predator Annihilator or 5 man LC squad, I'd still shoot at C'Tan first, then Warriors, not the Monoliths.

 

3 Monoliths and a C'Tan at 1500 points? Sign me up! That means no Immortals to deal with, no Heavy destroyers... I'd eat that list alive! As some have mentioned Swiftclaws are great against them... just watch out for standard gauss fire as failing a 3+ save gets expensive with bikes.

 

Hope that helps!

[Grey Mage]

i came up against a necron player that was using 3 monoliths and the night bringer 2 squads of warriours a unit of destroyers? and a necron lord IN 1500 POINTS

 

So i decided to ask my brothers for help how do you kill this i dont care how cheezy or cheap it is i want to find out how to beat it

 

i got an idea how to but want to see what other peoples ideas are.

Rune Priest- Tempests Wrath and Jaws- 100pts.

WGBL- Saga of the Wolf- 85pts.

45 Fenrisian Wolves- 360pts.

30 Grey Hunters with some gear- 550pts.

10 Long Fangs with 2 Lascannons and 6 Plasmacannons- 320pts.

 

1415pts, giving you some leeway for equipment and a transports as you like.

 

Now, find that warrior squad and template the living hell out of it. When its dead, he phases out and you win. In the mean time use your lascannons to hit a monlith each turn, trying to atleast shake it to stop it from firing. The wolves act as a cheap screen for your troops, saga of the wolf increasing their leadership and I helps alot.

 

Grey Hunters should act as fire support, plasmaweaponry and powerfists are probly your best bet here to ignore armor and have a chance of hurting a C'tan. Fire at anything rushing your lines with them.

[Wolfrave]

Don't wanna be the one whom sounds a bit mean, but i think the Tricky Xeno's known as Necrons where pulling one over on you. The Nightbringer/c'tun generally cost above 300 points, and the necron monoliths are 235 each...so looking at his list he has 705 points in his Monoliths and 300 ish in the C'tun, for about 1000 points, now im not sure about the size of his "Warrior Squads" but they are 18 points each i think, and Min number is 10 i think, so if he had two squads, then thats 180 points each (they are 24 each with Disruptions) and Destroyers are about 40 points each i belive, so even if he had one of them, thats some points. On TOP of that, a Necron lord is 100 points by himself, no res orb, no war scythe, no anything, soooo what we have here is at the minimum numbers,

Monolith 705

Nighbringer 300

10 Warriors 180

10 warriors 180

Necron lord 100

1 Destroyer 40

 

That is about 1505 points right there...so if he had anything else aside from that, then he probably was jacking you're jaw!

 

 

Now, to battle that if the points are even, completely ignore the monoliths, the nightbringer, and wax the Necron warriors and Destroyers, Phase out is based off the units with "necron" special rules, which in his list is the Lord, the warriors and the Destroyer, you need to kill only 75% of that, and in that list, a couple well placed plasma cannon blasts from a Long fang pack and his army phases off the map. Now, if he is Holding them in reserve, hoping to keep himself from getting the phase out, and trying to suck em threw the monoliths, then he can't use his Particle whips, making his Monoliths a little less effective at hurting things. Also remember if he is holding warriors in reserve, he -has- to suck them threw the monoliths available. Part of that giant monsters rules and all.

 

 

So yeah, Phase out would probably be the easiset, A few thunderhammers and lascannons can actually bring the Lith's down so a long fang pack is always a good idea, and some wolfguard wouldn't kill you either :)

[Prophecy]

Aren't C'tan immune to JotWW as flying creatures? At least, they're modeled on flying bases...

 

And I had no idea that you could shoot under a monolith. That's really good to know.

[Grey Mage]

They dont fly. Theyre just levitating.

[gojira316]

You got hosed on points my friend. The Necron list as you described is 1675 points. That's not counting any options the Lord may have had.