Chimera transport and Acts of Faith

[MadCowCrazy]

The WH Chimera sucks compared to the IG one, basically having 2 Fire Points compared to the IGs 5.

 

This came to mind today.

Lets say I get a Dominion Squad of 6 Sisters, 4 with flamers, one VSS with combi flamer or Brazier and 1 Imagifier sister, Immolator transport.

In the same army I get some Inducted IG, a platoon with one infantry squad in a Chimera.

 

If I understand the rules correctly you have to deploy your troops next to or inside your transports. So I deploy the troops and transports next to eachother, embark the sisters into the Chimera and drive off.

So I come withing range of some enemy troops, if I move 6" 5 sisters are allowed to shoot at them from inside the Chimera right?

 

Page 66 of the BRB (Big Rule Book?) says

"Unless specified differently in the vehicles entry, a single passenger may fire out of a fire point and the other transported models may not fire. Ranges and line of sight are measured from the fire point itself."

 

Page 39 of the IG Codex says

"Fire Points: Five models can fire from the Chimeras top hatch. In reality several are firing from the fixed lasgun emplacements along either flank, but for simplicity we assume all shots are taken from the hatch."

 

If I understand these rules correctly I can fire 5 sisters with flamers (4 flamers and combi-flamer) from inside the chimera.

Ranges and line of sight are measured from the fire point itself. With Chimeras top hatch do they mean the hatch on the gun turret or the big hatch on the back? The hatch on the gun turret is technically the "top" one but it seems kinda silly that 5 ppl would squeeze in there and shoot at the same time.

So where do you place the flame templates? On the gun? On the big back hatch? Base contact with the Chimera?

 

As I understood it you ignore the lasgun mounts on the rear of the chimera for anything related to combat, its just for decoration.

 

Im sure Ive read somewhere that the Chimera counts as open topped if any model or the majority of the models in it has an armor save worse than 3+, since I would put sisters in it with 3+ that should mean its no longer open topped right?

 

 

Allso, can you use Acts of Faith from inside vehicles? Basically to get Divine Guidance on the sisters inside the Chimera.

 

Hmm, place Heavy Flamer turrent and Heavy Flamer in the hull + 5 sisters with flamers = BBQ if my interpretation of the rules are correct.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Having just read over the page in question, there is no reference whatsoever to vehicles and acts of faith, ergo yes you can. For example, utilizing Spirit of the Martyr in an enemy shooting phase when you're pretty sure the Rhino is going to be popped and you want your Sisters inside to stay alive by the end of the shooting phase. None of the Acts of Faith require or utilize Line of Sight, so you shouldn't have any problems.

 

That does make Repressors out of IA2 all the more tasty. :) On that note, if you utilize the IA2 update it fixes Witch Hunter Chimeras to make them the same as Imperial Guard ones, which is nice as even your opponents now don't have to remember which versions of vehicles are in play.

[MadCowCrazy]

How common is the use of IA2? Is it used in tournaments etc?

I dont think we use the ruleset at our local gaming club but it would be nice to know if and how other clubs out there do.

[Shoitaan]

Pardon a hairy noob but whats IA2? If this lets me have a chimera with 5 faithful shooters I'd like to know more about it.

[wizard12]

This should be the most recent one, it contains extra rules for space marines and the forces of the inquisition excluding the ordo xenos.

 

you get IA-2 and IA-1 for free as the rules in them don't work in 5th edition.IA-1 gives you rules for imperial flyers and imperial guard armour regiments.

 

Oh and most of the time the imperial armour books are not used in offcial, GW run tournaments but it's rule of thumb that if the store or player is happy with it then you can use it.

[Kabbala]

IA2 is the Forge World publication Imperial Armour vol 2.

[MadCowCrazy]

Pardon a hairy noob but whats IA2? If this lets me have a chimera with 5 faithful shooters I'd like to know more about it.

 

If you are playing a game where Imperial Armor (IA) rules are not allowed the only way to get a 5 firepoint chimera is to induct an IG Platoon and add one as a DT from one of the infantry squad.

 

It would cost you 130 points to add a platoon.

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Afaik this is the minimum a platoon can be and you can add 3 Chimeras to this default platoon for 165 points. 1 for the command squad and 1 each for the infantry squads.

You can add 3 more infantry squads to the platoon <DELETED BY THE INQUISITION>.

 

However you do get the IG Chimera with IG rules :

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For 89 points you get a Chimera that is similar in gear to the IG chimera for 55 points, but has only 2 fire points, less gear options and fiewer special rules.

 

If you look at the cost to get a Chimera into your army it costs you :

185 Points for an Inducted IG platoon (5 platoon command, 2x 10 infantry=25 troops) with 1 chimera +55 for up to 2 more, +105 per chimera for up to 3 more after that

130 Points for 5 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers with 1 chimera. Want another chimera? Thats another 130 points.

 

The IST must be uber good compared to regular IG infantry at that point cost right?

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Special Weapons:

They both have the exact same options but IG can allso chose 1 sniper rifle, IG can only chose 1 special weapon while IST can chose 2.

IG can turn 2 infantry into a heavy weapons team <DELETED BY THE INQUISITION>.

 

You can get 12 IST (would be 2 troop choises) for the same price as an IG Platoon with 25 models (1 troop choise).

Who would win in a fire fight? It comes down to luck at the dice I guess but the IG sure has it stacked in their favour since the Platoon Commander can give First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire which makes 1 group of infantry shoot their Lasgun up to 3 times at 12" and 2 times at 24".

So not only are the IST outnumbered, they are allso outgunned.

However, IG hits on 4+ so they would hit less, IST has an armour save of 4+ so they would take less wounds.

 

All in all? I would take Inducted IG any day because you can simply just take them as WH no questions asked. With their gear options and special rules they are far superior to IST imo.

Then again I have no experience playing either of them, so I can only do the math hammer. This kind of makes my argument null and void but from a math hammer point of view the IG does seem a better choise. Unless Im missing something.

 

@MadCowCrazy: Post edited to remove GW IP and B&C rule violations. You can only quote limited amounts of GW IP for "fair use" purposes. Repeating entire rules entries almost verbatim is illegal. --number6