Westboarder Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I've searched around. Didn't find a clear answer on this. How is it Grey Hunters are able to use Bolters and bolt pistol + chainsword? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I've searched around. Didn't find a clear answer on this. How is it Grey Hunters are able to use Bolters and bolt pistol + chainsword? They just do? Like chaos marines they're armed with all 3 weapons, the whole 2 weapons max no longer exists. You can give a Dark Angels Company Master a Storm Bolter, Plasma Pistol and a Pair of Lightning Claws for instance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Shooting phase: They have two ranged weapons, but a regular infantry model can usually only fire one. So they can chose to either fire the boltgun (longer range or double tap) or the bolt pistol (can still assault afterwards). Close combat phase: They have two single-handed close combat weapons, so get +1 Attack. There are no rules explaining that a model cannot have more than two weapons (in the old Codices teh armoury introduction used to specify that), and there are no rules saying that the same weapon that was fired with in the shooting phase has to be used in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westboarder Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Excellent. I wanted to model my grey hunters holding a bolter and chainsword. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't off base here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Excellent. I wanted to model my grey hunters holding a bolter and chainsword. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't off base here. Modeling grey hunters with bolter and chainsword would be fine, and just be the way they used to look when they had true grit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalist Wolf Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 you could also argue that we follow the old legion model rather than the Codex Astartes which would explain the comparable loadouts to Chaos Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Yeah, I've modelled my grey hunters with bolters + chainsword or boltpistol. Tis fine, and makes the model easier to paint too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 *nods* They always count as having their basic equipment, so if you just have a bolter on them, or BP+CCW, or Bolter+BP etc theyll count as having all three, so dont sweat it. Only if you do something like put a PW or a PG on them does it change, and then as specified in the codex.... so they still have the two unreplaced weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 you could also argue that we follow the old legion model rather than the Codex Astartes which would explain the comparable loadouts to Chaos Marines. I don't think it has anything to do with the ancient Legion organisation, mainly because I can think of no reason why Guilliman would want to change such an equipment loadout. I assume Chaos Marines (and now Space Wolves) got additional weapons to represent their slightly more loose and unordered organisation, where individuals do not carry standardised gear but also usually carry personalised weapons with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Or perhaps its just to show that chaos and SWs tend to have a biass towards CC as opposed to range firing? Still, Ive always felt the "legion" explanation was a good one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Because they use this bloody STC technology... called "holsters" I think.. Btw, for sake of WYSIWYG I tend to slap bolt pistol holsters on 2-3 models per GH pack. Works good for me and individualises pack models even further. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 yep - and a sling on the bolter helps too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobman Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Because they use this bloody STC technology... called "holsters" I think.. Btw, for sake of WYSIWYG I tend to slap bolt pistol holsters on 2-3 models per GH pack. Works good for me and individualises pack models even further. Yeah, one tournament I go to you get deducted ponts for not being WYSIWYG. Like not sticking grenades on your (metal) stormtrooper models! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 yep - and a sling on the bolter helps too If I had one... Actually where they can be found - in the SM scout box? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Because they use this bloody STC technology... called "holsters" I think.. Btw, for sake of WYSIWYG I tend to slap bolt pistol holsters on 2-3 models per GH pack. Works good for me and individualises pack models even further. Yeah, one tournament I go to you get deducted ponts for not being WYSIWYG. Like not sticking grenades on your (metal) stormtrooper models! How odd, since GW says you dont have to model grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Plus in the 'futuristic' world of 40k, grenades can be tiny, and don't have to be visible anyway.... Why did you throw your finger at me!? BOOM! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobman Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I find it a little harsh myself but what cha gonna do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I find it a little harsh myself but what cha gonna do? Not play at the lame tournament? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I find it a little harsh myself but what cha gonna do? Not play at the lame tournament? Ask them to show you a RAW or GW ruling reason for such nonsense? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobman Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 In my experince most TOs will just say it's their tournament and thats how it is. This particular instance they put it down as something for those who go that bit further. Personally I'm not gonna buy loads of model kits so I have enough grenades/knifes/boltpistols/gasmasks/ration packs for all my dudes. I'm not ubercompetitive so it doesn't annoy me that much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2214862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I can understand giving extra painting score or something to such finely modelled units, but dissallowing them seems.... anal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2215484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Indeed. It would be nice if I could model all my Grey Hunters with Bolters and Chainswords with holstered pistols but it's just not going to happen. Likewise sticking both frag and krak grenades on each and every one of them would be ludicrous. Sounds like that TO has some issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2215500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 hmm...at least one of the space wolf armours contain grenades. Also the SW belt with two swords contain grenades. My second ediotion sergant also has grenades on him. But those rules seem a bit idiotic. I can understand it for necrons maybe who don't have so mutch fluf, but SM? Come on! Just hang in there i supose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2215540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobman Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I can understand giving extra painting score or something to such finely modelled units, but dissallowing them seems.... anal. They're not dissallowed. What happens is you get points for WYSIWYG, and to get those points you need to be detailed enough that all you dudes need grenades and such like. Which is why I never got the points cause I flat out refused to stick grenades (and now bolters/pistols) on everyone. Still managed 3rd place one year though! :) But like I say, I'm not too hardcore so it doesn't bother me that much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187183-newb-question-grey-hunters/#findComment-2215956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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