Prosedragon Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hi everyone, Is the current consensus that the iron priest should be an independant character, and that will get FAQed? Has anyone painted their iron priest red, like a codex techmarine? How does that look with sw grey, or how did you do the colors? Finally, the skull and crossed bones shoulder pad from the old wolf sprue (the new ones have a flat version of it) does that represent anything? Is that a certain great company, or just a generic wolf symbol? Thanks for looking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nope. He is not an IC. He's essentially a callback to the old "retinue" days. He is a squad that includes Cyberwolves (fearsome little beasties) and Thrall servitors (thunderhammers!). Consensus is that he is intended to be this way, I believe. Either run him with a full retinue in a redeemer (I had a lot of fun with this last weekend) or on a TWM with only cyberwolves. Very fun in a cavalry oriented army, but you have to run him with another unit (I like cav, but I've heard good things about running him right in front of a pack of skyclaws). Even with majority T5, the unit is rather squishy (no invuln, 1 wound). Becomes considerably more effective if someone has the Oath of the Wolfkin so that the wolves hit at I5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 Very strange. I assumed he was supposed to resemble a codex techmarine, who can take a retinue or join a squad, and they just forgot the IC special rule. The iron cav unit looks fun, I don't have the time or resources to build it though. I did manage to throw together a pretty cool looking iron priest on foot though-I guess he just got promoted to WGBL counts as. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nope. They are unique in that they are not part of the Adeptus Mechanicus; they have the Space Wolf gene seed. They simply train with the AM. I'm sure it's some mutually beneficial deal, like the Space Wolves have with House Belisarius so that they can have navigators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 The techpriest from the IG codex lacks the IC special rule as well, so im not so sure that the Iron Priest will be FAQ'd into an IC. As for shoulder pads, on my IP conversion, I used the old SW upgrade sprue's shoulder pad on the left and the geared skull shoulder pad from a rhino sprue on the right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 Great minds think alike, mine has the same shoulderpads. I never noticed the tech priest wasn't an IC...what's the purpose of saga of the iron wolf then? I can see the logic, for 60 points he'd be a pretty potent addition to a squad...but he's still 1 wound with no invuln save... If that shoulderpad isn't already taken I'm adopting it as the mark of the pirate wolf, for my own great company. If it already means something, like the wolf equivalent of terminator honors or something, maybe not. Do space wolves have terminator honors? Any experience painting an iron priest red? I'm skeptical of how it will look with space wolves or shadow grey, but he needs some homage to the machine cult. I appreciate any input-exams are winding down so I'm finally getting to focus on assembling my wolves. For that matter, are wolf priests black and rune priests blue? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 He can be 8 wounds with no invulnerable if you like, and decent in CC- saga of the Iron Wolfs benefit to a transport is secondairy to its benefit of giving you a boost to repair rolls though. Im making my Iron Priest SW Grey with alot of red and silver in the trim. Hes very obviously an Iron Priest by his looks, I doubt Ill get any complaints hes not near solid red. Wolf Priests are black, Rune Priests are not blue. Thats a codex restriction to "warn" their brethren of what they are- a SW would never forget what a Rune Priest is- they are to highly respected to be mistaken for anyone else, and the runic weapons and talismans are a dead give-away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 My Iron Priests are grey, my Rune Priests are grey, the only model in my army not grey is the Wolf Priest, but that's it. The Space Wolves don't have a need to mark out specialists with various colors, only a whelp would be unable to tell who is who by smell alone, let alone the various staffs of office. A servo-arm or a rune weapon are pretty darn obvious dontcha think? I didn't notice the Iron Priest wasn't an IC either, that should deffinitely be changed, all other Space Marine Techpriests are IC's. It's almost necessary if you intend to run them without a big servitor retinue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 It makes sense fluff-wise though. And they aren't meant to be anything other than they are. If you're not running them with wolves or servitors...you should probably consider investing points elsewhere. The space marine ICs are Adeptus Mechanicus. Ours are Space Wolves that have chosen a vastly different path than his new packmates. Another one that bothers me if people wondering why WG can't take jump packs. It's the same thing. Fluff-wise, Skyclaw duty is a punishment left to the bold and the young. No long-toothed Wolf Guard is going to strap one of those devil wings on his back. Thank Russ there are a few Wolf Priests out there who are brave enough to jump into battle with their charges. Otherwise the poor whelps would be hopeless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Another one that bothers me if people wondering why WG can't take jump packs. It's the same thing. Fluff-wise, Skyclaw duty is a punishment left to the bold and the young. No long-toothed Wolf Guard is going to strap one of those devil wings on his back. Thank Russ there are a few Wolf Priests out there who are brave enough to jump into battle with their charges. Otherwise the poor whelps would be hopeless. You know... except wolf gaurd battle leaders, wolf lords, and entire packs of wolf gaurd that can take jump packs.... right? Sorry, but the whole idea of WG with JPs not being able to detach and lead skyclaws bothers me. I wont try to argue that it should be changed, it either will be or it wont be, but frankly there is no reason not to give the troublemakers someone to ride herd over them. In point of fact, I have Two WGBLs with JPs sitting on my project table right now- the twins, Hugin and Munin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yeah...the idea that my sallies can't tell the difference in a techmarine or a librarian without their armor being painted differant colors but space wolves can is kind of off as well. Different traditions are cool, but it's not a superiority thing. And why would you not run an iron priest without a retinue, for fluff as well as listbuilding? 60 points for 3-4 extra str 8 attacks isn't bad, and they're able combatants, why would they not get to have any fun? That's cool that librarians paint their armor as a warning-didn't know that. Again, iron priests don't train with the mechanicum? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Sorry, my mistake. Correct, WG can take JPs. However, they won't detach to lead the brash troublemakers. Again, it's a good thing we have those more forgiving Wolf Priests to ride herd over them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 They do in fact- they are raised up on the Isle of Iron where they then go under a tutelage and become a Space Marine and then they are shipped to mars for another apprenticeship and return full Iron Priests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yeah...the idea that my sallies can't tell the difference in a techmarine or a librarian without their armor being painted differant colors but space wolves can is kind of off as well. Different traditions are cool, but it's not a superiority thing. Because Salamanders can't tell the presence and exact location of all their comrades by smell alone? Anyway Techmarines aren't red because it's a Codex order actually, they paint some of their armor red as an honor to the Adeptus Mechanicus. However it would seem Iron Priests are Space Wolves first, and techpriests of Mars second. And why would you not run an iron priest without a retinue, for fluff as well as listbuilding? 60 points for 3-4 extra str 8 attacks isn't bad, and they're able combatants, why would they not get to have any fun? Because I'd much prefere to have the option of one riding around in a Land Raider Crusader with a host of Blood Claws adding leadership, control and enhancing bonus' to the transport? Saga of the Iron Wolf isn't that great when an expensive transport is hauling around a lone marine and a handful of cyber-wolves. @Prophecy, what on earth does the Iron Priests life choices matter with regards to riding to war? Because goodness knows Rune Priests only ride around by themselves or with a handful of wolves. There's no fluff reason what so ever that Iron Priests shouldn't be able to fight alongside any other pack of Space Wolves, just like Rune and Wolf Priests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Vash, I agree with you, but GW chose not to give them that rule, and I wont argue otherwise. I will hope the FAQ changes it, but I dont expect it to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Vash, I agree with you, but GW chose not to give them that rule, and I wont argue otherwise. I will hope the FAQ changes it, but I dont expect it to. Yea it's not something I'm going to unduly fret over, but I would like to see it FAQ'd. It's almost, and I stress almost, as anoying as not being able to give my Terminator Armored Wolf Lord or Battle Leaders a Frost Blade... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Vash, I agree with you, but GW chose not to give them that rule, and I wont argue otherwise. I will hope the FAQ changes it, but I dont expect it to. Yea it's not something I'm going to unduly fret over, but I would like to see it FAQ'd. It's almost, and I stress almost, as anoying as not being able to give my Terminator Armored Wolf Lord or Battle Leaders a Frost Blade... That is my biggest beef with the new book. Wolf Guard Termies can get frost blades, but my Wolf Lord cant?!? thats just messed up. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 That is my biggest beef with the new book. Wolf Guard Termies can get frost blades, but my Wolf Lord cant?!? thats just messed up. Indeed it is, luckily that should be FAQ'd in short order and is most deffinitely simply an oversight. In the meantime I'm just switching my Wolf Guard Terminator with Power Weapon and my Wolf Guard Battle Leader with Frost Axe. My Iron Priests are going to stay on a shelf until I can find some decent cyber-wolf models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 That is my biggest beef with the new book. Wolf Guard Termies can get frost blades, but my Wolf Lord cant?!? thats just messed up. Indeed it is, luckily that should be FAQ'd in short order and is most deffinitely simply an oversight. In the meantime I'm just switching my Wolf Guard Terminator with Power Weapon and my Wolf Guard Battle Leader with Frost Axe. My Iron Priests are going to stay on a shelf until I can find some decent cyber-wolf models. in all my years of GW gaming, no FAQ has ever come in short order! ^_^ WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2215843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think the no frost blades in term armor is on purpose, sadly - codex marines can't take a relic blade in terminator armor either. Unless space wolves being able to smell exactly where the blade is helps them out there too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2216081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I dunno. IG came pretty quickly. It was only what? 2 months? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2216087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Error:repeat post, Internet issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2216091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think the no frost blades in term armor is on purpose, sadly - codex marines can't take a relic blade in terminator armor either. Unless space wolves being able to smell exactly where the blade is helps them out there too... No, but perhaps the part where our termies can take them will- codex termies cant take relic blades after all, so its consistent. I dunno. IG came pretty quickly. It was only what? 2 months? Well that points come and gone here, Im just hoping its out before C:Tyranids. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2216275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well that points come and gone here, Im just hoping its out before C:Tyranids. Heh. Me too, but I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2216321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Actually Phil Kelly (the author of C:SW) has said in his blog that the no Frost Blades for HQ's in Terminator Armor was a mistake and will be fixed in the first FAQ. Dunno about Iron Priests but I can hope... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187240-iron-priests-and-shoulder-pads/#findComment-2216697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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