Logain the Ranger Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 So I was wondering what records people have with total attacks from the Warrior Born bonus. Tonight I got 14 attacks with Ragnar Blackmane. 4 base + 2 charge + 1 two weapons + 7 from warrior born. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 My best result had been +4A with my WL. But with no enemies in range i was not able to profite from it. With my WP i got +3A and again no enemy unit in range for the next turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2215750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090522 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2215754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 My best result had been +4A with my WL. But with no enemies in range i was not able to profite from it. With my WP i got +3A and again no enemy unit in range for the next turn. My opponent charged me on his turn, then with the massacre I was able to assault next combat. Blackmane's total for that game was two obliterators, 15 chaos marines, sorcerer and a demon prince. 505pts total, not counting the marines wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2215772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahorsecalledwar Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 With my wolf lord who has 2 WCs i ended up with 16 attacks and would of ended up being a massive 21 attacks if my foe didnt run his terms away. Me and my mate now have a bet on that if i can ever get 30 attacks drinks are on him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2215857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 With my wolf lord who has 2 WCs i ended up with 16 attacks and would of ended up being a massive 21 attacks if my foe didnt run his terms away.Me and my mate now have a bet on that if i can ever get 30 attacks drinks are on him. Put him on a Thunderwolf with a WTN and a squad of 15 FW to back him up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2215862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahorsecalledwar Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well iv been trying diffent packs for him from Skyclaws to WG and quite like him in the GH. Altho the WG have had some good results. Gona try him on a TW(good old canis base ) but it then makes him the price of Blackmane. Or there abouts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2215941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 My friend elected, in his grand wisdom, to field a combined platoon of 4 squads and a command unit, for 45 models. I charged Ragnar in. I had him up to 25 attacks by the end of it (4 base, +1 for ccw, +20 for saga). DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'll be honest, I've shied away from using it! as I still don't 100% 'get' it. For instance, if you fail to kill anything for a turn, does that mean you have '0' attacks next turn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
morkai's fang Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'll be honest, I've shied away from using it! as I still don't 100% 'get' it. For instance, if you fail to kill anything for a turn, does that mean you have '0' attacks next turn? the rules say something along the line of "the model gets as many bonus attacks as the amount of models killed in the previous assault phase". as far as i know you still get your 4 base and +1 for ccw just no BONUS attacks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 For instance, if you fail to kill anything for a turn, does that mean you have '0' attacks next turn? If you are refering to bonus attacks, that's correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Ah thanks, i must have read it wrong, wowswers then, thats alot better than I previously thought! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loher Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hmmm it sounds a bit odd. People killing 20 models in a single assault phase. I think it ca be either: 1) I am totally lost 2) Given I do not know of SW models with more than 7 attacks (4 base, 1 charge, 1 2xccw, 1 TWM), it means a single model cannot kill more than 7 models, aka... no more than 14 attacks at all, as they do not stack from assault phase to assault phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hmmm it sounds a bit odd. People killing 20 models in a single assault phase. I think it ca be either: 1) I am totally lost 2) Given I do not know of SW models with more than 7 attacks (4 base, 1 charge, 1 2xccw, 1 TWM), it means a single model cannot kill more than 7 models, aka... no more than 14 attacks at all, as they do not stack from assault phase to assault phase. Actually... they do. 7 attacks base... kill 7, get 14. Next assault phase... you see how many you killed the previous phase and see you get 14 bonus a attacks, and your six base *since your no longer charging, 21 total otherwise* for 20 total attacks. Lets say you kill 15 this time with your Str 6 I 5 PW of doom.... next turn you get 21 attacks base against the horde-o-gaunts that your sweeping through. etc etc etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf2.3 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 The most I have ever had is 11 with my wolf lord. By that point everything seems to be dead or my oponent has packed up to leave cryng "chease!" over his shoulder *sighs* Theres nothing "cheasy" about it. I have an 860 point hammer unit with my wolf lord that runs around killing everthing. The rest of the army is usually dead by 2nd turn. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Ahhhh even more sense, i may try this out next battle... oooh thats tomorrow! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 The most I have ever had is 11 with my wolf lord. By that point everything seems to be dead or my oponent has packed up to leave cryng "chease!" over his shoulder *sighs* Theres nothing "cheasy" about it. I have an 860 point hammer unit with my wolf lord that runs around killing everthing. The rest of the army is usually dead by 2nd turn. :P Maybe if you invested more points into the rest of your army they wouldnt die so much? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 After my game my opponent never wanted to play Ragnar again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Ragnar fears Power Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hmmm it sounds a bit odd. People killing 20 models in a single assault phase. I think it ca be either: 1) I am totally lost 2) Given I do not know of SW models with more than 7 attacks (4 base, 1 charge, 1 2xccw, 1 TWM), it means a single model cannot kill more than 7 models, aka... no more than 14 attacks at all, as they do not stack from assault phase to assault phase. Actually... they do. 7 attacks base... kill 7, get 14. Next assault phase... you see how many you killed the previous phase and see you get 14 bonus a attacks, and your six base *since your no longer charging, 21 total otherwise* for 20 total attacks. Lets say you kill 15 this time with your Str 6 I 5 PW of doom.... next turn you get 21 attacks base against the horde-o-gaunts that your sweeping through. etc etc etc. I'm not sure that I agree with this. The saga states, "....gets a bonus to his Attacks equal to the number of models he killed during the previous Assault phase." I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong, but personally I think that if it was intended that each previous assault phase tally was meant to stack, then it would have said previous Assault phases, not phase. I realize it's not like the tally is always going to reach ridiculous numbers and that this rule doesn't even take effect until turn 2, but as far as every assault phase stacking, I can already hear opponents crying foul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 You are not stacking anything. You can, by simple logic, kill more models in the turn you receive bonus attacks, and as such the number of bonus attacks you receive will rise geometrically the longer you stay in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'm not sure exactly what you mean about not stacking, as the initial quote talked about stacking bonuses from phases, and GM stated that you could. What i'm saying is that the idea i get from reading the rule is that you start at 0 bonus each round and then refer to the previous assault phase. For example, Ragnar kills 4 models in turn 2 assault phase. Turn 3 asault phase, he gets a bonus of 4 attacks. In turn 3 assault phase, he only kills 3 models. So in turn 4 assault phase he does not get 7 bonus attacks for killing 4 in turn 2 and 3 in turn 3...he gets 3 bonus attacks because turn 3 was the previous assault phase. That's all I'm trying to say. I see your point in how ,possibly, you could end up with quite a number of attacks, so long as you rack up the kills granted by the extra attacks. I'm just hoping that people aren't assuming that you add the bonus from two turns ago into your total. You only go back to the previous turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Ragnar fears Power Fists. Power fists go last, besides, he is never alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hmmm it sounds a bit odd. People killing 20 models in a single assault phase. I think it ca be either: 1) I am totally lost 2) Given I do not know of SW models with more than 7 attacks (4 base, 1 charge, 1 2xccw, 1 TWM), it means a single model cannot kill more than 7 models, aka... no more than 14 attacks at all, as they do not stack from assault phase to assault phase. Actually... they do. 7 attacks base... kill 7, get 14. Next assault phase... you see how many you killed the previous phase and see you get 14 bonus a attacks, and your six base *since your no longer charging, 21 total otherwise* for 20 total attacks. Lets say you kill 15 this time with your Str 6 I 5 PW of doom.... next turn you get 21 attacks base against the horde-o-gaunts that your sweeping through. etc etc etc. I'm not sure that I agree with this. The saga states, "....gets a bonus to his Attacks equal to the number of models he killed during the previous Assault phase." I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong, but personally I think that if it was intended that each previous assault phase tally was meant to stack, then it would have said previous Assault phases, not phase. I realize it's not like the tally is always going to reach ridiculous numbers and that this rule doesn't even take effect until turn 2, but as far as every assault phase stacking, I can already hear opponents crying foul. Previous assault phases DONT stack, however you got kills from those bonus attacks didnt you? In that case, they DO count towards the tally for next round- IE if you have four bonus attacks, and kill 2 more than your base attacks, you get your base attacks +2 as bonus attacks the next round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahl02 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'm not sure exactly what you mean about not stacking, as the initial quote talked about stacking bonuses from phases, and GM stated that you could. What i'm saying is that the idea i get from reading the rule is that you start at 0 bonus each round and then refer to the previous assault phase. For example, Ragnar kills 4 models in turn 2 assault phase. Turn 3 asault phase, he gets a bonus of 4 attacks. In turn 3 assault phase, he only kills 3 models. So in turn 4 assault phase he does not get 7 bonus attacks for killing 4 in turn 2 and 3 in turn 3...he gets 3 bonus attacks because turn 3 was the previous assault phase. That's all I'm trying to say. I see your point in how ,possibly, you could end up with quite a number of attacks, so long as you rack up the kills granted by the extra attacks. I'm just hoping that people aren't assuming that you add the bonus from two turns ago into your total. You only go back to the previous turn. Ok here's how it works assuming a turn 1 charge. My WL on a TWM would get 7 attacks. Say I kill 4 out of 10 guys and they fail to wound me, they pass their moral check and we stay in combat. My opponents assault phase comes around and i take my 6 attacks and now add 4 from the PREVIOUS assault phase. Now I have 10 attacks, and I kill the last 6 guys. Now my turns comes back and I get into another combat. My attacks go from 7 to 13 from the last assault phase. Now this time I kill a whopping 10 guys (lucky rolls) and the enemy still passes it's moral check (orks) and we're still in combat. On my opponents turn his assault phase comes around and now i have 16 attacks 6 base +10 from the PREVIOUS assault phase. This time I kill off 12 guys and they fail their moral check and i massacre them. When my turn comes around and I assault another unit I would get my 7 base attack +12 from the guys I ACTUALLY killed. The codex says previous assault phase. Not your previous assault phase. So you see if you got lucky and stayed in combat the entire game and didn't die. I could see a wolf lord getting as high as 20+ bonus attacks for each of HIS kills before the end of the game (given enough enemies). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187294-attacks-from-saga-of-the-warrior-born/#findComment-2216606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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