Renegade Armor Color Advice

[Vyre]

I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out the army color code I want to go with, and would appreciate some advice.

 

I'm currently immersing myself in the fun of painting and modelling, and on the side I'm trying to figure out my warband details (i.e. name, battle style, origins, etc). However, I want to establish satisfactory army colors so I can get on with building the army while ironing out the small details, but I'm having serious trouble! Right now, I'm painting the finished model of my Chaos Lord, but I just keep changing the color of bits of his armor, and I'm starting to worry that I'll ruin the details under too many layers.

 

Right now, the colors are something like this:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4379_12155.jpg

 

Looking at it now, it just looks too much like a rip-off of the Black Legion colors.

 

To be honest, I was rather inspired by the colors used by the Black Templars for my army. Some of my soldiers will have cloaks and robes, and they will be coloured with the white/cream outside contrasted with a red cloth lining. But I can't get the armor right!

 

Overall, I like the colours red, black and white/twilight grey. My army will have ideals along the lines of the Fallen, where they have long since forsaken the Emperor but are also against the Chaos powers that once controlled them. In light of this, I'm thinking of changing to colors which include black and grey to represent their betrayal and shame at their Fall, but then the gold and red to signify their pride for fighting for their right to live and exist. For this, I've gone with the following:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4379_29733.jpg

 

Any advice on this would be sincerely appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

- Vyre

[The Nephilim]

In light of this, I'm thinking of changing to colors which include black and grey to represent their betrayal and shame at their Fall, but then the gold and red to signify their pride for fighting for their right to live and exist.

 

Are you playing emo renegades? "Shame at their Fall?" You're boys wouldn't last long in the Eye moping around, woe us is, we fell to Chaos. They would quickly be murdered for supplies and geneseed.

 

I can't think of any Chaos Legion or renegade group that feels shame over their fall. Abaddon ordered the Black Legion to change the color of their armor for the shame of defeat, not their decent.

 

/rant

 

I think you need to come up with some better color ideas. Everyone and their little brother is painting their marines black or red these days. Try and come up with something more distinctive. Come off the page with your story and scheme.

[Brother Amarel]

If you like a colour, then go for it.

 

For what it's worth one of my Undivided units is all fallen marines with their original chapter badge remaining, and although my base colours are Midnight Blue over black with a Liche Purple highlight, the Black Templar still looks similar to your initial idea and I think he looks good.

 

@The Nephilim - while many, if not most, Chaos Marines are indeed angry and vengeful there's no reason not to assume that some feel they've made a mistake, or are even repentant.

[The Nephilim]

@The Nephilim - while many, if not most, Chaos Marines are indeed angry and vengeful there's no reason not to assume that some feel they've made a mistake, or are even repentant.

 

If they're repentant, then they're not Chaos Marines.

[Cale]

They might not be Chaos Marines, but they could still be renegades. Once you turn once, the Imperium pretty much puts you on the "destroy on sight" list. Even if they later decided that the Imperium had the right of things and they'd made a mistake, they wouldn't be welcomed back. They'd still be at odds with the Imperium.

 

Heck, they might even still use Daemons and whatnot--some Inquisitors basically do, and they're still, in their minds, fully supporting the Imperium and its goals.

[Vyre]

Thanks for the different opinions.

 

Right now I have not clarified exactly what the warband story is, but overall the lord is going to be someone who was part of the heresy (possibly Dark Angel) who went to chaos and then retreated into the warp. I'm then going to have it that at some point the lord and some fellow comrades somehow forsake the gods they once worshipped, and so they become a group of marauders who reject the Gods and the Imperium while surviving on their own terms, making alliances within the Eye of Terror and attacking other worlds/armies for resources when they need to. So, no, they're not exactly 'Chaos Marines', but in game terms they are.

 

Now, I'll bet that this is an unoriginal basis for an army idea, but to be quite frank, I'm open to adapting my story as time goes on. Right now though, I want to model and paint my army a style that I like, and then I want to play the game. Thats it, it's that simple.

 

On a side note, I can understand that black and red are common colors in 40k, but I wonder how many people use those colors in personalised armies (rather than just Black Legion armies, for example). Personally, I like the colors red and black. I'm not going to turn around and paint all my models blue and green just for the sake of originality, when in my head I'm thinking they look rubbish.

 

I appreciate the opinions, and it has helped me clarify in my head what I want to do. I'll probably go with something like my final design in my first post.

 

Thanks again.

 

- Vyre

[Brother Amarel]

@The Nephilim - while many, if not most, Chaos Marines are indeed angry and vengeful there's no reason not to assume that some feel they've made a mistake, or are even repentant.

 

If they're repentant, then they're not Chaos Marines.

Tomato, tomato (that doesn't work so well when written down). They're outcasts of one flavour or another using the Chaos Space Marines codex; quod est demonstrandum.

[The Nephilim]

@The Nephilim - while many, if not most, Chaos Marines are indeed angry and vengeful there's no reason not to assume that some feel they've made a mistake, or are even repentant.

 

If they're repentant, then they're not Chaos Marines.

Tomato, tomato (that doesn't work so well when written down). They're outcasts of one flavour or another using the Chaos Space Marines codex; quod est demonstrandum.

 

Granted, I appeared to have my boxers in a twist that day, I still stand by my statement. It's all in the wording. Words do provoke powerful emotions. Don't believe me? Call a person of darker complexion, the N-bomb and watch what happens. Even individuals of lighter complexion get angry.

 

Call something a Chaos Marine and it speaks of heresy to the loyalist, while sounding like a symphony to the cultist. Renegade? That's for those Soul Drinker apes who can't decided on what faction to serve.

[RogueSangre]

http://bolterandchainsword.com/csms.php?bp...;gr=0F0F0F&

 

The old White Panthers paint scheme, never seen it on chaos but it's kinda like that 2nd one you put up.

[Vyre]

Thanks a lot for all these suggestions back in the day. I've taken many things on board since this last post and I've even started painting my marines.

 

However, after much umming and aahing, I'm almost done. I'd just appreciate a few final thoughts and words of aesthetic advice about my color scheme.

 

It more or less boils down to this... which of these 3 schemes do you think looks better?

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...i&img=44349

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...i&img=44350

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...i&img=44351

 

 

I will be highlighting the black trimmings with a grey lighter than the 'Adeptus Battlegrey' +'Badab Wash' colour of the armor, thus giving it more definition than the pictures show.

 

Any thoughts? Though I already have an idea of which scheme I probably prefer, I want to ensure that I can look at my models in years to come and not feel like something is off perhaps because I failed to notice a clash in colors which is more obvious to another individual.

 

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

- Vyre

[aeroplane]

This one looks the best because of the contrast. White shoulders are rarely seen in Chaos, and would look great!!!!

I would strongly suggest using a metallic for all the banding, if you don't, they will look like spiky black templars...

[Vyre]

Thanks for the opinion, I've also decided on keeping with the white shoulder pads.

 

It took me a while with the armor trim, and I decided with black in the end because I liked keeping the main body consistent with dark colors (and thus keeping with the "Grim" in my chapter name). I tried doing the trims in gold and bronze (both too similar to Black legion) and silver, but none of it quite looked right to my eye. Just seemed as though there were too many colors on the model. I may try a drybrushing of boltgun metal on the black trimming, just to give it a metallic sheen but keeping it dark. That might look nice...

[Vyre]

Hi there,

 

I've been working on my own idea for a DIY renegade chapter which originated from a small band of Fallen. To summarise the story, the small group of Fallen decide to spurn the ideals of the Emperor while abhoring the powers of chaos, seeing it as a tool and nothing more. They then work towards securing their own army as a dangerous force which can survive in the Warp by strategically attacking other roving Chaos warbands and accumulating whatever resources they can (resources in all forms, from weapons and ammunition to gene-seed and recruits who are taken from populated worlds or defeated marines who they recruit in exchange for their lives and servitude). So, in effect they are a chaos renegade warband who call themselves a chapter.

 

Now, I am basing the central theme of the army around 'ascended' angels who see themselves as being superior to the Dark Angels (arrogant boys aren't they?) but who stick to the original "knight" ideals from when some of the Angels were part of the order on Caliban.

 

My main lord is a close combat specialist wearing the most adorned armor which has been pillaged, and model-wise it is a converted Brother-Captain Stern of the Grey Knight Terminators.

Now, I love the look of the GK term models and would like a squad of them as the personal retinue for the lord (the most successful warriors don this armor and are the lords personal guard), but I'm not sure how to represent any other terminators in my army.

 

As a roving warband focussed around the warp, they take what they can get. The GK armor would probably be too rare to represent all my terminator models (2-3 squads of 5 in total), but I'd like all the remaining models to be consistent. Story-wise, are they more likely to be Chaos Terminators or taken from the normal Space marine armor? Which do you think might look best for the kind of army I'm going for?

 

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm just not sure whether the Chaos or SM term models would look best!

 

Thanks a lot.

 

- Vyre