Prot Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 So far I've been very successful with my Wolves, and during this time I have found the el-cheap-o HQ's seem to fit my play style best. BUT what I really want to do, I can't seem to and it doesn't make sense to me..... When I first started playing 40K a very long time ago, it was the terminator models that drew me to space marines. And in every army I've ever built, I've usuall included a kick butt Termie HQ. But with Wolves I am having trouble building a solid one. Let me cut to the chase (literally) and really what's bugging me is I can't find an option to give my Space Wolves Lord Terminator Armour AND a Frost blade. Is this right? Because ultimately this is what I wanted to build and the Wolf Guard Frost Blade just looks.... awesome. I wanted to build a Lord using that piece, and have him guarded by Arjac. Am I missing something or does this seem impossible? I can see the Lord in power armour doesn't seem to have the same restrictions.... what am I missing here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Its not an option in the codex, your quite correct, sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Okay, so I'm not crazy.... still this makes absolutely no sense to me. Too bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 It is an oversight. But yes, you cannot do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yes, many of us wolf players were dismayed but I think this will be fixed. And if not, no big deal as I think the Wolf Claw gained ground against the FB. In fact, I think I'd prefer the WC over the FB except in Thunderwolf builds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well that's my back up build.... Lord, Termie armour, two claws -or- one claw and a shield. I can't decide. But since he will get warrior born, I'm thinking the 3+ invulnerable is better since I can't give him Saga of the Bear (so it's a survivability factor). The fast is I just want a super cool termie Lord. The claws I figure should be grouped for the extra attack to compensate for the lack of wounding ability with the claws. A re-roll is nice too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgad Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Brother Prot, I was thinking... If you want to include an awesome TDA-wearing, Frostblade-wielding model, why not field a Lone Wolf? He presents good modelling opportunities, is able to use the equipment load-out, and isn't that expensive either! *edit* And regarding the Frostblade vs Wolfclaw schtick, we had a good few threads on mathhammering the differences. My conclusion was that the Wolfclaw will almost always yield better results. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Spending that many points I would say Saga of Bear is a must. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 True the saga of the bear is... survivable BUT I want a BEAST! And this forces me to sacrifice safe for aggression. The shield isn't bad... I mean 3+ invulnerables are nice. But you have me thinking. I may have to remake him. So I have multi attacking/safe from instant death: Lord/Termie Armour/Claws (pair)/Saga of the Bear @ 200 (added melta bombs so he doesn't get stuck in with a dread or something?) Then there's this version: Mega-aggressive/high risk/lower survivable: Lord/Termie Armour/Claw (single)/Shield (to replace saga of the bear)/Saga of the Warrior Born @ 210 points (melta bombs as well) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Magnetize the arms. And I thought you were going to put him with Arjac? That means no need for Melta bombs. If u want to be super safe give one of his WG a Chainfist too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 My standard Lord load-out is 230 points. TDA, 2xWC, wolftooth necklace, saga of the bear. Does the job nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I used to be a big fan of Frost Blade/Combi Weapon on TDA. But now... well, with the changes I've gone for Twin Claws, and bought Morkai into his 5th incarnation for my list. As for Saga, I'm opting for Warrior Born, and trusting to a retinue with a couple of Storm Shields and a Land Raider to deliver him safely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2216591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 My standard Lord load-out is 230 points. TDA, 2xWC, wolftooth necklace, saga of the bear. Does the job nicely. That's what I'd like to do, but I typically play 1500 point games. I am betting you're playing higher pointed games? I used to be a big fan of Frost Blade/Combi Weapon on TDA. But now... well, with the changes I've gone for Twin Claws, and bought Morkai into his 5th incarnation for my list. As for Saga, I'm opting for Warrior Born, and trusting to a retinue with a couple of Storm Shields and a Land Raider to deliver him safely. Even in 1500 points I'm getting the squad into a landraider. That's just too many points to leave to chance. Solid transportation is a must. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2217153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Once you go over 220pts, you are probably better off going for a named character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2217274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Once you go over 220pts, you are probably better off going for a named character. Unless... you know... none of the named characters have what he wants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2217502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 but he could use counts as . as long as he doesnt use any terminators [or use different counts as for them] , why not represent that RP every SW army has with a terminator armored model[and no I dont advice taking actual terminator armor for HQs] . you can get rules and any looks you find nice in 5th ed. you could even take a a GK GM[limitless ld10 psychic hood and a str 6 force weapon that kills even models with eternal warrior] and represent him with a terminator armored SW model. sky is the limit in a counts as supporting edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2217513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 but he could use counts as . as long as he doesnt use any terminators [or use different counts as for them] , why not represent that RP every SW army has with a terminator armored model[and no I dont advice taking actual terminator armor for HQs] . you can get rules and any looks you find nice in 5th ed. you could even take a a GK GM[limitless ld10 psychic hood and a str 6 force weapon that kills even models with eternal warrior] and represent him with a terminator armored SW model. sky is the limit in a counts as supporting edition. You see a counts as rule in C:SW? I sure dont. Besides, that wasnt my point jeske- my point was that if you want a Wolf Lord on a TWM with a Frostblade then Canis is not for you. If you want a TDA WL with a Thunderhammer, then Logan isnt the right choice.... If they dont have what you want, dont buy them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2217519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 My standard Lord load-out is 230 points. TDA, 2xWC, wolftooth necklace, saga of the bear. Does the job nicely. That's what I'd like to do, but I typically play 1500 point games. I am betting you're playing higher pointed games? I used to be a big fan of Frost Blade/Combi Weapon on TDA. But now... well, with the changes I've gone for Twin Claws, and bought Morkai into his 5th incarnation for my list. As for Saga, I'm opting for Warrior Born, and trusting to a retinue with a couple of Storm Shields and a Land Raider to deliver him safely. Even in 1500 points I'm getting the squad into a landraider. That's just too many points to leave to chance. Solid transportation is a must. ;) I know a WL is very fluffy but to be honest at 1500 points i would not go for a WL, too point intensive. A WP is a much better choise. Normally i´m playing 1750 points and i tried one time my Krom Dragongaze with WG and a LR with limited success. I equiped my WL with twin WC, WTN, Belt of Russ and Saga of Warrior born. I´m not convinced from his performance. I will give him another try, but i think i will stay with Bjorn, Njal or a WP (depending on my list) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2217540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 You see a counts as rule in C:SW? it is legal to take a GK GM in a sw army . It is also legal to model said GK GM as a sw in terminator armor with a terminator armor , a frost blade[the nemezis force weapon] etc you gain both the model you want to have [ a terminator HQ with a "frost blade"] and ok rules [psychic hood , str 6 force weapon that ignores eternal warrior]. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2218286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yeah, there is no 'counts as rule' you canuse whatever model you like!! But, back on topic. My fave combo at the moment is lord/saga of the bear/thunder wolf/storm shield and frostblade Bu i would also like to try: Terminator armour, 2xthunder hammer & saga of the bear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2218306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Well you guys managed to beat the fun out of me choosing a Termie HQ! lol I know that it isn't going to be cost efficient.... it just isn't. I think that's the way they designed the SW codex intentionally. Sure there are a lot of uber characters, and even the way they gave SW player the ability to -make- a very cool character, including Saga is really cool. It actually reminds me of 'old' chaos to a degree. I see I will win no fans over on the idea of making a cool HQ with Termie armour. That's kind of unfortunate. I know the best wolve HQ's are the cheap ones. Don't get me wrong; I'm having a total blast with the cheap HQ's and in 1500 points there's not a lot of room for error. I just wanted one SUPER hard HQ unit including a mix of Termie/Power armour Wolf Guard in a Landraider. Yes, I know this is expensive. So far I have 2 versions of this. One is a generic Wolf Lord in Termie armour (210) with Wolf Guard Retinue in mixed armour (248) totaling 7 models PLUS the Landraider Redeemer. The second terminator heavy vision I have is: Njal in Termie armour (270), with a 10 man Wolf Guard unit (separated to a degree before deployment) so that I can get 2 Missile launcher packs on the Termies! They come in at a whooping 365 points, but no landraider. So that's an 11 man unit which would be on foot, and would provide a LOT of firepower and Njal's bag of tricks as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2218310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Once you go over 220pts, you are probably better off going for a named character. Unless... you know... none of the named characters have what he wants. Logan has Terminator Armour, a Frost Blade and Saga of the Bear. But yeh. Maybe they don't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187338-generic-lord-load-out-frustrations/#findComment-2218366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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