Adir Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 For what its worth, the FW Redeemer has rules in the upcoming Apoc book: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/apoc2/40-41-copy.jpg Edit: please don't hot-link directly to GW images ~ INP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 In the previews of IA: Apocalypse II they're showing entries for the GK redeemer and a squadron of exorcists. See here: IA: Apoc II preview Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2217424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I've merged two similar topics to avoid confusion. That being said, I'm very much looking forward to this release now! I found it curious that the what appears to be squadron of Exorcists used both the GW and Forgeworld models... and am wondering if perhaps there might be further attention to Inquisition units in the book. Granted even two datasheets is more attention than we often receive, so this book will definately be on my list of things to purchase once it's released! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2217435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewm9 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 What sort of release date are we looking at for this book? This might be the first IA book I actually buy as who would believe me if I told people that Sisters have a datasheet unless I showed them. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2217441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 This might be a cheaper option of getting the GKLLR rules than purchasing the SoV III book. Depending on the cost of this new Apoc book of course. ;) You'l lose Hector, but get the LLR rules. Still. It would have ben nice to have something new... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2217599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogUK Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 SoV III has some nice GK data. Stats for Redeemer, Rex and Ordo Malleus Razorback. Apoc formation Ordo Malleus Covenant of Destruction (basically 2 redeemers, a raider, Lord Rex and troops) Also has quite a number of pages of reference pictures of GK heraldry, weapons, etc. Not to mention a funky campaign system to allow you to fight the whole Vraks campaign. Personally I think it's the best book of the 3....now I just gotta read 'em! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2217626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Oh that's right.. Ordo Malleus Razorbacks... *sigh* Just when I think I've finally gotten transports for my Inquisition collection figured out they have to go and tempt me with more models to spend money on! I'm never going to finish at this rate ;) I'm beginning to wonder if I should just drop the inducted guardsmen project and offload the figures for cash to fund the Inquisition habit. That being said, remember that they haven't shown us a table of contents for the upcoming book yet.. it may well contain additional datasheets besides just these two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2217638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendybadger Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I hope it does contain some more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2217709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Oh that's right.. Ordo Malleus Razorbacks... *sigh* Just when I think I've finally gotten transports for my Inquisition collection figured out they have to go and tempt me with more models to spend money on! I hate to be the pessimist, this early in the morning but In my opinion the only reason an ordo malleus razorback exists is that the turret form the GK LRR fits the razorback turret ring, and since buying the turret alone is cheaper than a whole model, they make more money. I just feel the razorback doesn't fit in with the rest of the DH (but that's possibly because i've forgotten how it feels to get new units for My army. Feel free to ignore this rant, Mel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2218095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewm9 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Is it me or is the GK Redeemer a little broken? The flamestorm incinerators may be a bit much. With STR 6, AP 3 and ignore invulnerable and cover saves, i think its a bit nasty. Basically only a handful of infantry untis can stand up to it's punishing fire. The gamer in me thinks its awesome, but the rule-lawyer in me thinks its a bit much for balance purposes. Thoughts? BTW, I draw my info from Siege of Vraks 3, the GK Redeemer's original appearance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2218353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I hate to be the pessimist, this early in the morning but In my opinion the only reason an ordo malleus razorback exists is that the turret form the GK LRR fits the razorback turret ring, and since buying the turret alone is cheaper than a whole model, they make more money. I just feel the razorback doesn't fit in with the rest of the DH (but that's possibly because i've forgotten how it feels to get new units for My army.You have a good point, that probably is the original inspiration for it :tu: I just think it could be very useful as a cheap transport for an Ordo Malleus elites choice Inquisitor, and give you a semi-armored psycannon turret which could fire on the move. I had been considering eventually collecting a third valkyrie for a small Daemon Hunters Inquisitor, but if I'm allowed the Razorback as a transport option (I haven't seen the source materials myself yet) that could be an effective alternative, and fit in with the Land Raider/Chimeras portion of my collection, then leaving the pair of Valkyrie Stormtrooper units (once I buy everything I want) operating as a pair. Way too little money to buy all the things :) Wouldn't it be nice though if they put the rules for the Razorback in the IA Apoc II book as well? Essentially a book for people that just want to field the pretty models, and a seperate book for folks who want all the background fluff as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2218492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozybonza Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I thought the Inq. razorback was in the free IA2 update? Could be wrong though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2218781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogUK Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Just checked Ozybonza, not in the IA2 update. assuming 1.3 (August release) was the last one? It's simple though, 60pts upgrade to any stormtrooper squad and stick a twin-linked psycannon on top! It served well in it's seminal battle, delivered the finishing blow to a pesky Eldar Hawk special, ironically the 6 troopers I attached to it ALL survived too, seems they were overlooked in favour of the more dangerous shiny dudes and against Eldar they chalked up quite a number of kills with those hellguns, surprising too, it's not like their bright red uniforms didnt shout 'shoot me!' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2219178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewm9 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Just checked Ozybonza, not in the IA2 update. assuming 1.3 (August release) was the last one? The Ordo Malleus Razorback is IA7 Siege of Vraks III. Aside from IA2, its the coolest IA yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2219688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Quick update, there is now a Table of Contents listed! Follow Eddie's link up above, the applicable units (I think) for us are: Grey Knights Land Raider Redeemer Chorus of Faith Convocation of Wrath So one thing we've already sorta had, one Exorcist's datasheet, then whatever the new one is :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2219828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ordered today... Can't wait. I feel like a poor kid that just got an old broken toy for Christmas. It's not the best or most shiny, but it's mine... MINE! Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2219906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Is it me or is the GK Redeemer a little broken? The flamestorm incinerators may be a bit much. With STR 6, AP 3 and ignore invulnerable and cover saves, i think its a bit nasty. Basically only a handful of infantry untis can stand up to it's punishing fire. The gamer in me thinks its awesome, but the rule-lawyer in me thinks its a bit much for balance purposes. Thoughts? BTW, I draw my info from Siege of Vraks 3, the GK Redeemer's original appearance. Thoughts. I tohught it was stupidly overpowered since it's original conception. I had a long thread aobut it. ^_^ My opponents hate the original LRR, they despise the GK version. I also agree about the Razorback. It's strange the OM gets a Razorback, but can't have Rhinos or any other STC varient... It's also surprising that GK can't use any Rhino Varients while 'ordinary' humans can... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2220254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I also agree about the Razorback. It's strange the OM gets a Razorback, but can't have Rhinos or any other STC varient... It's also surprising that GK can't use any Rhino Varients while 'ordinary' humans can... That's like me saying it's strange I can't use the bus when other people can - a certain car might have something to do with that. It's not that I can't use it, it's just that I've got better. As ever though GW fail to translate this to the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2220276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 The thing is though is that Inquisitors and ISTs of the Ordo Malleus CAN use Rhinos and the Inquisitors have Land Raiders, which are STCs. It's the Grey Knights that don't... so similar, but not exactly the same. :) EDIT: removed doubled text (how'd that happen?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2220703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Yes! You can now also buy a Multi Melta for it, which wasn't an option in the Siege of Vraks book. I played someone who has a Seer Council on bikes the other week. They ran away the entire game. It was beautiful. Do the Psyk-Out launchers still give you I10 on the charge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2220856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Alright, I've seen a copy of IAA2 and can mention a few things about the new Datasheet, Convocation of Wrath. It is a Sisters of Battle formation (Yay! Two formations for Sisters now!) concerning the following units in some combination I won't say: Adepta Sororitas Heroine, Celestians, Immolators, Battle Sisters with Transport (Rhinos or Repressors). It is definately a formation you want to overload with flamers, as one of the specials affects the strength of said weapons of all units (including vehicles) in the formation. It also is really good at getting said vehicles up close and personal at speed even over terrain, as well as sorta duplicates the BoSL in a sense.. kinda. In short.. if you have these models, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever NOT to take this formation with them. You sacrifice really nothing, as we all tend to put a Heavy Flamer in our Battle Sister squads anyway, and most of us use Immolators with Heavy Flamers. It's definately worth a look by all Sisters players :mellow: I was kinda 'Meh' over the Exorcist formation, but Convocation of Wrath is really sweet :lol: Burn baby, burn! EDIT: comments on the GK Land Raider Redeemer are um.. why would I ever take anything else with my Grey Knights? The ability to have a pintle-mounted multi-melta is um.. schweet!! Slightly increased carrying capacity over a standard Land Raider? Yes please! Always charge at I10? Bring it on. IMO it's a better vehicle than the Crusader.. granted I've only looked at both of them on paper, but my brain says this is the only Land Raider to take for the Grey Knights.. I'm interested to hear other opinions from the Grey Knight Vets of the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2243917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 EDIT: comments on the GK Land Raider Redeemer are um.. why would I ever take anything else with my Grey Knights? The ability to have a pintle-mounted multi-melta is um.. schweet!! Slightly increased carrying capacity over a standard Land Raider? Yes please! Always charge at I10? Bring it on. IMO it's a better vehicle than the Crusader.. granted I've only looked at both of them on paper, but my brain says this is the only Land Raider to take for the Grey Knights.. I'm interested to hear other opinions from the Grey Knight Vets of the board. Wow! That sounds incredible! :tu: Too bad it's IA. I won't be able to use it ... pretty much ever. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2244510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Wow! That sounds incredible! :tu: Too bad it's IA. I won't be able to use it ... pretty much ever. :D Untill the next DH/GK codex that is. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2244557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Oh god, let's not hope the GK LRR goes to Codex... Probably the only saving grace to using it now is if there's more S10, AP1, Lance weapons to make a mockery of all your Tanks... Edit: /sob still no 'official' Apoc Datasheet I'd ever want to use for the GKs. ;) Unless that Hector Rex one is any good and can be used with GKs and not just an Inqisitorial Retinue! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2244801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
- 7eAL - Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Oh god, let's not hope the GK LRR goes to Codex... Probably the only saving grace to using it now is if there's more S10, AP1, Lance weapons to make a mockery of all your Tanks... Agreed. So very broken that only Terminators get saves against flamestorm incinerators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187356-gk-redeemer-rules-upcomming-datasheets/#findComment-2245999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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