Getting suport (heavy suport)

[Niiai]

Hi, I am looking for some heavy sport to put in my 1000 point games. I fell in love with the long fangs and razor back last night but I need more cowbe-I need more tanks I think.

 

I want to ad tanks. More than one, because if I have just 1 tanks it will get shot down and die horibly. If I have more I can take out the big guns while the first one burns. More long fangs would be cool (5 heavy bolters with split fire at 115 is a bargain) but I think I need some mobile tanks.

 

It boils down to the vindicator (penis extension) perdator (good) whirlwind (cute!)

 

1) Is the whildwind any good? I se a lott of people shunning it

 

2) How good is the vindicator canon?

 

3) Do people take the predator over the vindicator because it is still usefull after a "gun destroyed" roll?

[Marshal Wilhelm]

I agree with your one tank idea ~ one burns, take three pieces of armour.

 

As BT I take Dread with MM HF, 3-las-Pred, Vindi.

 

SW 3-las-Preds costs 30 pts more for a kitted out one than a BT one, so maybe that is too expensive? It does very well against Killa Kan squadrons, MegaNobz, Battlewagons etc. I like it because it offers 48" AT fire.

 

Vindi = YAY! Even if it does nothing kills-wise, the enemy moves away from it/actively attacks it and shots all it has against it. That alone is very good. It mulches Nob Units and with s10 + best of 2 d6 rolls for penetration (as ordnance) it can burst tanks too.

 

Dakka-Pred (2 HB + AC) is cheap for you guys, compared to BT.

 

I wish I could take WWs. They are cheap and deliver effectively up to a squads worth of HB shots, all from behind cover if needs be. For their price they are very good.

 

LF with HB are VERY cheap!

[PagingMrHerman]

Since you like them so much (and with good reason), I would suggest taking a Rhino with Long Fangs embarked. Give the Long Fangs Missile Launchers or Lascannons or whatever you want them to have. They can shoot out the top hatch from your board edge and the Rhino gives them that extra protection.

 

I personally don't like the Vindicator because it scatters, has a 24" range, and is useless after a weapon destroyed result. For a cheaper price you can get a more useful Predator with Autocannons and Heavy Bolters which can pop light tanks and be anti-infantry as well.

[Thorgad]

Chalk up a vote for the Vindicator from me; It's fairly cheap for a front-armour 13 vehicle, and there aren't that many armies that can get that awesome str 10 ap2 pieplate. If you're bothered by the low range, I'd suggest a Dakkapred instead (Predator with autocannon and HB-sponsons.) It's cheap and cheerful, offers the same Armour 13 front, and put out loads of anti-transport shots.

[LPetersson]

It will depend completely on your playing style I think.

 

I bring three squads of Long Fangs all with missile launchers in all games over 1500.

 

I find that tanks get shaken/stunned too easily to really be worth taking, and woe betide the Vindicators if my Long Fangs survive turn 1.

 

Having said that, the Vindicator is a monster that your enemy will fear, but it will attract a helluvalot of fire until it's a smoking wreck.

Dakka Preds are obviously good against hordes, and PewPew Preds against MC/Tanks. Long fangs are good against both. And with Long Fangs you can get a Razorback (Henceforth referred to as a Ghetto Pred <_<)

 

Given that the Pred\Whirlxind\Vindie all share the same chassis, try a couple of games with each and see how you like them...

 

If I could have a 4th Heavy Support slot I'd take a 4th Long Fang squad...

 

Also, don't forget that Land Speeders with missile launchers (The name escapes me) are not bad either. Like more mobile Long Fangs.

 

So yeah, Pie plates from Vindies are fear inducing, but you have to be very close to use them...

 

Did I mention that Long Fangs ae really good at both Anti-Tank and Anti-Infantry?

[Yeti]

At 1K, it's hard to beat a dakka pred. You're unlikely to meet heavy armor, so the autocannon does the job, and with the bolters added in, can really dish out the anti-infantry firepower. If you're up for it, magnetizing the weapons lets you also have the option of making an annihilator variant in larger games and lets you remove the weapons on a weapon destroyed result. You can PM me if you want details on how to magnetize it. <_<

 

I agree though that the key to mech lists is target saturation. It's kinda hard to do at 1K, but with cheap dreads, land speeders and rhinos/razors, it's doable.

 

As for the other two options ... they're kinda meh. The vindi dishes out the damage, but either gets popped fast or spends the game being useless 'cause of a weapon destroyed. I'm usually lucky to get one shot off. As for the whirlwind, it's very situational. Against Guard, orks, tau, eldar it's almost as potent as a vindi ... if you can hide it. Otherwise, it's tinfoil armor doesn't protect it much and it goes down quick to anything bigger than a heavy bolter.

[Niiai]

Long fangs are dah'bomb! They are sooo good and soooo cheap. Sett them up, and start shooting. Very few efeciantly counters them.

 

How ever, long fangs are not mobile, so it works as a spine. It gives you a screen of fire that your oponent have to take into account.

 

However, a tank is mobile, and I want to try them out, and then I need more then one or it will crash and burn. I like drop pods, but apparantly I think I like them too mutch for my little 1000 point games.

 

If I coult take 1 long fang, 1 vindicator, 1 whirlwind and 1 predator I would try one of each, but I only have 3 Heavy Suport choises so I wanted to se what you guys thought.

[Grey Mage]

I will speak for the Whirlwind- its amazing.

 

For less than the price of a Tactical Squad you get a large template that will kill 3-4 marines per barrage in my experiance, wipe whole units of tau, IG, and eldar off the board, and peirce the best defenses that orks have without thinking. The only opponent a Whirlwind suffers again is Necrons.... because everything is worse against necrons that isnt plasma.

 

Indirect fire means theres no place to hide, and if you fire from more than 12" away you can take cover saves compared to the center of the hole- often negating the effects of any cover theyd normally have. And because its an Ordnance weapon you can hurt light tanks like Ork Trucks, Chimeras, and Devilfish *remember- it hits side armor* as you roll 2d6 and take the highest.

 

Its even better than normal in a SW army- it provides long range firepower to complement the short range firepower of ones Grey Hunters and Dreads, and is incredibly cheap for what it does.

 

I never leave home without one, unless Im DPing.

[Wolf Lord Jukes]

I know everyone loves Vindicators, but I've had bad luck with them... Usually they just get stunned a bunch, get off one shot tops, and then blow up. Not my cup of tea.

 

Whirlwinds are awesome against plenty of armies, and near worthless against others. Any MEQ tends to shrug off the wounds, and you'd have to do 6 wounds just to get the points back. Against Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Orks and the like, though, it is BOMB! I love my whirlwind... I just wouldn't use it in a tournament setting due to its lesser effect against the MEQ armies.

 

Predators have to be broken out into the four types, IMHO. Discussing them as one option isn't an option :rolleyes:

 

Option 1: Autocannon w\ hvy bolters. This on paper looks like a great way to dish out shots, but in my use of it it never is as effective as it is on paper. It's mega cheap, but I cherish my heavy support slots too much to put this bad boy in. Just not enough anti-infantry killing power, and Space Wolf troops excel at that anyway.

 

Option 2: Autocannon w\ lascannons. This is the most cost effective Tank Killer in the whole Space Wolf list. Period. Landspeeders are cheaper, but blow up too easy. Missile Launcher Long Fang squads laugh until that 14 AV Leman Russ is staring down at you. I love this variant, and almost always include it in my list. A great choice that can take punishment and dish it out.

 

Option 3: Twin-linked lascannon w\ lascannons: I love this option. It really destroys/hurts whatever it shoots. Although there are those who will say it is too pricey, its points cost really hasn't changed since I bought it back in 3rd. I also suggest the Hunter-Killer missile on top, just in case you fail to inflict the neccessary damage. For the points, there probably are better options, but this tank can be a game changer. At 1k it's overkill, but I like overkill :D

 

Option 4: Twin-linked lascannon w\ hvy bolters: The only variant I don't own. It was great back when Str 5 guns could shoot on the move. Now it's not as good. I wouldn't suggest this option.

 

Just my two cents!

[Niiai]

If Greymage says that windies are cool they gott my suport. :-)

 

Windies are also cheaper then the vindicator.

 

OK, so 1 pack of long fangs with 2 bolters, 1 RL and 2 Lasers (I need some lasers in my army, just in case. That is 50 points that wills ave the day)

 

1 Whirldwind, if nothing else, then for the psycolodical effect.

 

And now, a predator or a demolisher? With two lascannons perhaps a pred would be OK to divide the bigs shots up. The Vindicator can only realy fire 1 shot at a time.

[Muller]

Vindicator all the way, with a lascannon heavy long fang team overlooking the battlefield is a very dangerous combo.

 

If any armor decides to take a pot shot against the vindicator it will most likely survive even las fire due to it's 13 front, if the vindicator draws fire (like my gaming pals always does from my las-superiority) other valuable units in your army will most likely survive longer, I always vote for a full squad of devastators/long fangs for more survivability of the heavy weapons, then the long fangs can eat up any enemy armor they want.

 

it's what I'm getting in about 1 weeks time along with one more SW battalion (I need more bodies :cuss)

[TiguriusX]

Vindicator all the way, with a lascannon heavy long fang team overlooking the battlefield is a very dangerous combo.

 

If any armor decides to take a pot shot against the vindicator it will most likely survive even las fire due to it's 13 front, if the vindicator draws fire (like my gaming pals always does from my las-superiority) other valuable units in your army will most likely survive longer, I always vote for a full squad of devastators/long fangs for more survivability of the heavy weapons, then the long fangs can eat up any enemy armor they want.

 

it's what I'm getting in about 1 weeks time along with one more SW battalion (I need more bodies -_- )

 

IMHO heavy support needs a specific role and it has to boost the rest of your army.

 

A vindicator is a great fire magnet and even if it is destroyed can still be worth the points. If your opponent spends 1-2 turns focusing on the vindicator then your Rhino mounted GH squads are within striking range. If your vindicator survives try not to fire it near all the GHs. If it loses the cannon it can still tank shock for significant damage.

 

I personally love 3 squads of LF (3ML 2LC) with additional vehicles if I have points to spare. I greatly value tactical flexibility

 

As for the original poster...in 1K game odds are you won't "need" lascannons because there shouldn't be too much heavy armor. Make sure all your infantry have melta weapons though!

 

Hi, I am looking for some heavy sport to put in my 1000 point games. I fell in love with the long fangs and razor back last night but I need more cowbe-I need more tanks I think.

 

I want to ad tanks. More than one, because if I have just 1 tanks it will get shot down and die horibly. If I have more I can take out the big guns while the first one burns. More long fangs would be cool (5 heavy bolters with split fire at 115 is a bargain) but I think I need some mobile tanks.

 

It boils down to the vindicator (*removed*) perdator (good) whirlwind (cute!)

 

1) Is the whildwind any good? I se a lott of people shunning it

 

2) How good is the vindicator canon?

 

3) Do people take the predator over the vindicator because it is still usefull after a "gun destroyed" roll?

 

If you are willing to experiment I would get 2 vindicators. Make sure they have a dozer blade or siege shield. In 1k game most opponents will find it challenging to remove two AV13 vehicles.

 

It will run you less than the cost of a LR and should almost guarantee your GHs advance safely. Just remember that the price you pay for this setup is a lack of ranged AV. If your opponent has nothing but tanks you have to get up close with your melta guns.

[Niiai]

Well my tactic thus har has been to field a lott and lott of GH. As mutch as up to 25 GH + Wolf Guard and lone wolf in the same army. It is a lott of scary units for my oponent, but he was more afraid of my razor back and long fangs. My long fangs where clearly the best unit in that game, inlcuding his hive tyrant + guards.

 

I found that I needed to structurate my units a lott more. I was planing on holding objectives with my GH, but it turned out that I had spent to mutch points on them and to few on units that actualy fighting. Nect game I will try to have 3 smaler units of 5 that can take onjectives (1 for the closests and two for the mid (one might die)). For the rest I need raw fire power since I fight a lott of nids, and I need some tanks.

 

One will draw all of the heavy fire, but more will be awsome. :-)

[Lord Ragnarok]

Have not used them, but I believe in the gospel of Grey Mage. Especially being outnumbered in many cases a whirlie against horde will make up the difference quick I think. I'm thinking of two in my 2000k list but I'll definitely include one.

[TiguriusX]

I was thinking of a potential 1k army with 2xVindicators and came up with this:

 

RP COTS + LL + MH

5xGH

WG

(203)

 

9xGH Melta + Wolf + MOTW + PW + Rhino + EA

WG CM + TH

(278)

 

9xGH Melta + Wolf + MOTW + PW + Rhino + EA

WG CM + TH

(278)

 

Vindicator Dozer blade

Vindicator Dozer blade

(240)

999 Total

 

RP is rear objective sitter and 4 vehicles head forward able to handle assault and dish out S10 pie plates of death

 

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