Tybrus Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Ok as you can see freom my other post I have been planing my wolves a bit different. My Son's of Russ have a bond that goes beyond an animal and master. My wolves are brothers, where in my vision of the Fang Wolves of both Marine blood and true born Fenrris wolves roam toghter. You get the point. Sorry, its late and the drinking started early, so I will get to my point. So that being said, lets look at how the wolf pack fast attack pick should be used. It is a screening unit ment to draw fire as it covers for following units. SHould it live to get into hand to hand great. Is this how you would treat your brother? I wouln't even use allied troops like this unless maybe they were nevermind... So to my point, if you have a boud with these "brothers" you don't use them as self propelled bullet stoppers to cover your advance when well smoke grenades could be used whatever. However, you have grown up going on hunts with these wolf brothers from the time you could hold an axe. So you are not willing to have your brothers face danger for no reason, but your instienst screams to have these campaions with you in a fight. I give you my answer, for my wolves at least... http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad241/Tybrus1/Wolves/RoboWolf.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Although I agree with you on principle, game-wise my principles bend. I found them to be very useful for delaying tactics and bogging up enemy units. They are susceptible to ranged fire and wouldn't last long in front of a LR Punisher, but they are sacrificial and it depends on how they are deployed and what you are using them for. I always give my Wolf Priest Saga of Wolfkin which bolsters their Ld. My only problem is that I find them more useful in unit pairs but this takes up two slots. I'm a big fan of Fast troops especially SwifC and I like to field two small units of bikers. In larger games I might just take Canis and use 2 Fen Wolves packs as troops for harassing and delaying enemy units, and add a squadron of Speeders to my SwiftC (It's a pity we can't field bikers as troops like the vanilla marines). Otherwise I see no reason to use Canis. I don't think using them as a meat screen is a sensible tactic, although useful. I think you should use them as a unit with an 'objective', with 'purpose'. If you look at them not as wolves, but as troops they are not so different from a footslogging Orc unit. Just faster. Make no mistake; next to marines they are worthless, but used intelligently, putting their strengths to good use as a harassing force does pay off. Don't forget that a unit of Tau won’t last long if a pack of fen wolves engages them. They will use up fire power on them. This will buy you some time that can put your more valuable troops in positions of strength. They can also be used to support GH or BC when charging larger close combat units like Orcs and tryranids. Personally, I have used them in two units of 10 or 15 models, and to good effect. I cannot claim that they won the day but all things considered they did the job I set them out to do with reasonable success. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2221775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hum... I some how missed my target for this post. So I am saying that when your a young warrior you grow up hunting with these huge wolves and when your fighting with spears their GEART HELP! Now, you become a space marine, and as cool as it would be to take the same wolves with you to war but these wolves no matter how angry and ugly and tough are great but Guns kill them dead fast, and My SOn's of Russ view these wolves as brothers so they don't want to take wolves out to play with guns. So in My Son's of Russ my Fenriss Wolf packs are modeled in the above style of a Cyber Built Combat Wolf. These Cyber wolves will serve the same function for my MArines that they grew up hunting with their flesh and blood wolf brothers. Now though they don't send these same wolf brothers to quick, ugly deaths in a hail of 40k tech death that no flesh and blood wolf could face. So all I am saying is what does everyone else think about the idea. Sorry was not trying to debate tactics of use but your right I did make it sound that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2221799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I've been wanting to try them out, combined with sky claws and swiftclaws/or land speeders. a kind of cheap, rampage mega unit. that way your opponent won't know what to shoot first, and the wolves would probably be last on the list (which is good, because at least the mariens get saves!). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2221900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I like the way that a lord can have 15 additional ablative wounds (plus another 2 for his fenrisian companions) from the unit, if he's mounted on a thunderwolf it's quite quick and tasty ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2221936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Id use them for Cyberwolves more than FWs really... but I wouldnt scoff if you threw down 30 of those in a game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2221938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Id use them for Cyberwolves more than FWs really... but I wouldnt scoff if you threw down 30 of those in a game. 30 only(ish) cost you 240 points, or 271 if you go with the cyber wolfs and the saga. It is not realy that mutch for 30 cavalary units with I5. VS non horde armies they will be deadly when they charge! :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2221978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Poor guy. I think only Grey Mage answered his question. If I may paraphrase: "what would people think if I used the following models as Fenrisian Wolves instead of actual wolf models. My reasoning is <blurb about not risking fleshy friendly wolfies>" Personally, I think that's fine. I don't imagine that the Fenrisian Wolves I'd field would be the friends of my marines either though. Just wolves rounded up and trained for warfare in the fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I think they only become friends.brothers, if you take saga of the wolf, otherwise I would agree with maznaz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 That model looks great! :-) It is from doom the board game is it not? Looks good. Remember, all the wolves on fenris are crazy scaqry. Of course there are some regular wolves but almoast all fenrisian myths consist of one of the many strains of weard wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 In gaming terms they are mobile cover but their biggest use is their high initiative assault threat. When I used to play 13th Company back in 3rd Edition, the Wolf Packs were absolutely brilliant for getting into combat with enemy Heavy Weapons squads or other dangerous shooting units which can get locked in combat. It meant my footslogging units got an extra turn of movement without having to suffer a torrent of fire. Or at least as heavy a torrent of fire. Seeing as you can now shoot through units with TLOS, they are less effective at screening anything which has an armour save. They still serve as excellent outrunners or skirmishers to send into the enemy ranks before the main charge hits home. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Thanks for the thoughts, and yes Maz that is what I was asking. The mini itself is one of the D&D prepained mini's and it cost between .25 cents to $1.00 USD on ebay each depending on who is selling them. For the price and my personal fluff, I can't beat them. I use flesh and blood for my wolf lords ect, but the models are far more extensive etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgad Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Brother Tybrus, I've tracked the mini down as an "Iron Defender" of the Dungeons of Dread miniature set. Would it be possible for you to post a picture that shows us how large it is, compared to a space marine? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 I have them on order right now, and they have nto arrived yet. As soon as they get here, and I get my Camera working I will do so. I have a number of differnt wolves I have gotten over the last month, and I plan to post pictures and info on them as soon as I can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I was thinking, with the wolves, you can drop pod 10 marines in front of them and use them as a living meat shield screen granting all the wolves behind 4+ cover saves. :) shure the marines are having a hard time, but being charged by 90 attacks is bad as well. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 They are about half an inch tall from base to shoulder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2222954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I'm starting to think that with fen wolves and Canis, you can put forth a pseudo horde SW army. Obviously your GH squads will still be the backbone but with 2 squads of wolves you are going to need quite a bit of gunfire spread around to make a dent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2223896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share Posted December 26, 2009 Got these in yesterday, but have been in and out of the hospitle will try and get pictures up soon as I can. They are a bit small, and are on a normal 25mm base. They will work for what I want and the cost is right, but they are small =/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187768-my-take-on-fenrissian-wolves/#findComment-2226508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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