Request: Thunderwolf Cav Tactica

[Grey Mage]

The grey area is, in many minds, that there is no profile for it, and there should be, and it should show two stats in the T value area or one, as appropriate. That there are other units out there that do not follow pg. 26 puts doubt on the subject, especially with Codex overrulling BRB as standard.

 

The fact that there isn't a profile is what forces you to use existing rules. Existing rules are that they do not count the bonus T vs. instant death.

 

Out of curiosity, do you also say there is a grey area for characters on bikes? There's not Rune Priest on a bike statline (for instance).

Bikes specificly reference pg. 26, beasts and cavalry dont. Units of Bikes have T 4(5) and their characters follow suit.

 

Dont you think its natural that some people would feel that TWC and TWM'ed characters should have a similar resemblance?

 

Really though, Im not the best one to argue this point, as really I agree with you- Im just saying their argument is not without merit.

[RedMoon]

well the INET FAQ has said it is a straight up toughness 5 and that is what a LOT of tourneys use, and until GW makes there own 40 years from now thats what they will still use so YAY our wolf lord is toughness 5 lol.

 

 

now back on topic lol. i love my unit if TWC. i had a list i used at most tourneys and games and it was about 50/50 on wins and loss. With the addition of the TWC i haven't lost a game yet. They have one me ever single game. 4 with stormshields and 1 with meltabomb and 1 with storm shield led by my lord with frostblade and storm shield and saga of the warrior born is amazing. They have such a stigma that everything tries to shoot them so the land raider makes it across the board and unloads its payload of termies and thats never good. Plus with T5 they can handle the firepower being thrown there direction. i run them straight up the gut behind my land raider. If i had the models i would drop the termies and use another unit of them lol.

 

just my to barrels of ale. lol

[SamaNagol]

Masses of Bolter fire. Because a 3+ inv is no better than a 3+ Power Armour save against small arms. I wouldn't waste heavy weapon shots on them when there's a Land Raider full of nasties on the table.

[Chodjinn]

4 with stormshields and 1 with meltabomb and 1 with storm shield led by my lord with frostblade and storm shield and saga of the warrior born is amazing.

 

is that load out right or a mistype? You putting a SS on every TWC member, as well as the Lord?

[rahl02]

well the INET FAQ has said it is a straight up toughness 5 and that is what a LOT of tourneys use, and until GW makes there own 40 years from now thats what they will still use so YAY our wolf lord is toughness 5 lol.

 

 

now back on topic lol. i love my unit if TWC. i had a list i used at most tourneys and games and it was about 50/50 on wins and loss. With the addition of the TWC i haven't lost a game yet. They have one me ever single game. 4 with stormshields and 1 with meltabomb and 1 with storm shield led by my lord with frostblade and storm shield and saga of the warrior born is amazing. They have such a stigma that everything tries to shoot them so the land raider makes it across the board and unloads its payload of termies and thats never good. Plus with T5 they can handle the firepower being thrown there direction. i run them straight up the gut behind my land raider. If i had the models i would drop the termies and use another unit of them lol.

 

just my to barrels of ale. lol

 

I agree with Redmoon here, the INET Faq 3.1 is done by the exact same faq team as GW. That's practically law.

 

This is copied right out of that.

 

+SW.62K.01 – Q: Is the +1 Toughness bonus for a „Thunderwolf Mount‟ included when calculating „Instant Death‟?

A: Yes, so a model with a „Thunderwolf Mount‟ will effectively be a straight-up Toughness 5 [clarification].

+SW.62K.03 – Q: If an Independent Character on a „Thunderwolf Mount‟ has a Powerfist, are his close combat attacks resolved at Strength 9 or 10?

A: Strength 10 [clarification].

 

On another note: with our Wolf Standard use it in the shooting phase before the assault phase you want to use it in. Here's another quote from Faq:

 

+SW.62O.02 – Q: If a Wolf Standard is used in an Assault Phase, does it immediately take effect?

A: No, it only affects the next Assault Phase, which (in this case) is the next player‟s Assault Phase [RAW].

[Gentlemanloser]

What FAQ?

 

Except, however, Canis doesn't have an Invulnerable Save, which is particularly important for an Independent Character. Sure, he is fairly potent on the offense, however he fights his close combat attacks on his own and would be particularly vulnerable to any special close combat weapons. Although Wolf Lords/Battle Leaders will be more expensive when properly equipped, at least they can buy one or two things to avoid this particular vulnerability.

 

On Top of this, using Canis in a Squad invalidates his special rule (which is rubbish anyway...), plus the masive benefit the WL (or WGBL) give tot he TWC squad (the increased LD) is lost.

 

The only reason to use Canis is if you *really* want to use Squads of Fenrisian Wolves.

 

Or you want Rending Lightning Claws. :P

[Athalus]

4 with stormshields and 1 with meltabomb and 1 with storm shield led by my lord with frostblade and storm shield and saga of the warrior born is amazing.

 

is that load out right or a mistype? You putting a SS on every TWC member, as well as the Lord?

 

I am also curious as to what is the best ratio of SS to TWC. Should you be putting one on every TWC, or just on 1-2 of them if you have a squad of 5? I know some people make groups of 2-3 TWC, with just one with TH and SS, the rest basic load out.

 

Ideas?

 

I am currently running all SS, as its already such a pt investment, why not give them the extra protection? But maybe I should cut it down to just the one with the TH, and my WL, and rely on them to make the hard saves?

[rodgambit]

Has anyone used a WL attached to the fenrisian wolf screen? I see the fen wolves as a liability with their terrible leadership and armour save and if you run a squad of 15 it only requires that you lose 3 in a turn to take a moral test. If they benefit from the WL's 10 LD value they probably won't fall back as often and work as a better screen for the TWC.

[the jeske]

3 man . 1 ss one TH one guy with frost blade joined by an HQ with SS.

4 guys and no HQ 2ss one WC, one TH , one frost blade or second claw[but then one guy with SS has a claw and one claw guy without SS].

 

TWC should be always moving behind rhinos or LR , they should never spearhead assaults. it is far better to double tap a unit with GH and charge with a unit of ctw [that was hiding behind a transport ] or support a unit charging out of a land raider then paying tons of points to make them all SS and hoping they wont die [because to do that they are A too slow , B they would have to be run with 5-6 man and HQ and it costs too much] , at least not when someone plays 1500 or more point games.

[RedMoon]

yes any thunderwolf may change there pistol for a storm shield. then i give 1 a melta bomb and 1 thunderhammer. so 2 are different to spread wound allocation around im not full cheeze were they are all different. i would rather have the invul. and definitely the 3++ on my lord i pay so much for him i dont want him to die.lol

[Lascannons]

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[Gentlemanloser]

Has anyone used a WL attached to the fenrisian wolf screen? I see the fen wolves as a liability with their terrible leadership and armour save and if you run a squad of 15 it only requires that you lose 3 in a turn to take a moral test. If they benefit from the WL's 10 LD value they probably won't fall back as often and work as a better screen for the TWC.

 

You waste the T5 of the WL you attach to that squad.

 

You might just as well drop the screen idea and drop the Wolves for more TWC to deliver your WL.

[RedMoon]

i definitely agree with gentalmanloser. You can give your wolf lord 2 wolves anyway and still put him in a unit of TWC they take 2 scary wounds early. If you give all your TWC storm shields anyway the 4 plus cover is a moot point.

[Godhead]

As wargear, those 2 fen wolves should be able to eat wounds from CC for Canis or said IC. Having said that, id think you would want to allocate what ever str 10/low ap ranged shots to your ss models and let your wolves take the hit in cc, thus mitigating the need for an invuln save on Canis or any other IC.

[TiguriusX]

On another note: with our Wolf Standard use it in the shooting phase before the assault phase you want to use it in. Here's another quote from Faq:

 

+SW.62O.02 – Q: If a Wolf Standard is used in an Assault Phase, does it immediately take effect?

A: No, it only affects the next Assault Phase, which (in this case) is the next player‟s Assault Phase [RAW].

 

 

I think this FAQ is misleading. The nature of the question results in the confusing answer.

 

The rules for our standard expressly state it goes into effect the "next assault phase"

I am not aware of a limitation as to when you can declare you are using it. If you use it before the "next assault phase" (during movement or shooting) I believe it has an immediate effect. This specific question was using it during the assault phase.

[RedMoon]

Only problem is the wolves are considered separate models in combat so the independent character can still be hit by a powerfist or other nastiness in combat so you definitely have to have that invul save. plus there are a few things that can still pick him out like psychic powers, vendicars that kinda thing.

[Gentlemanloser]

Only problem is the wolves are considered separate models in combat so the independent character can still be hit by a powerfist

 

Where is that stated?

 

They are Wargear, which has it's own base. There's no mention of them forming a seperate unit. They *aren't* a unit at all, but an ICs (or IW) wargear.

[Godhead]

They are wargear. They must remain within 2 inches of the model that purchased them, not just within normal unit coherency. Since we are talking about it though, I don't think you can even target them instead of the IC even if you wanted since you can't technically target "wargear". I could be wrong though.

[RedMoon]

it says they form there own model with there own stat line. a IC is an independent unit by him self in combat so can always be picked out. only thing it ways is they are removed if the IC is killed. it makes no sence that you would be able to use them in HtH combat as a shield sence the IC rule over rules anything elts and they are there own models with stats.