Requisition Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Now this is RAD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viFLhyJXqNQ...player_embedded Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Can't wait to have these in my hands!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORKILL Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 AWSOME! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
morkai's fang Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 yunno ive finished flight of the eisenstein do you think it would be ok to skipp books out to these? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonwolf Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 After the first 3 or 4 Horus Heresy novels the rest of them aren't in any particular order, except for the two Dark Elves novels. So....skipping some of them won't (shouldn't?) cause any problems with missing stuff in A Thousand Sons or Prospero Burns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Alucard Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 After the first 3 or 4 Horus Heresy novels the rest of them aren't in any particular order, except for the two Dark Elves novels. So....skipping some of them won't (shouldn't?) cause any problems with missing stuff in A Thousand Sons or Prospero Burns. Dark Elves? Must have missed them two. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonwolf Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Doh...well...Dark Elves, Dark Angels...is there really a difference? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I've not read any of the HH books yet. Are they worth a read? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKAwolf Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 i just got..... im excited Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requisition Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 I've not read any of the HH books yet. Are they worth a read? Very much so, they are the best series of Warhammer books out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 This looks like an interesting series. I just hope that they portray the nuances of the situation from both sides. I feel like, amidst all of the moral ambiguity they're trying to write for the Thousand Sons, it'd be easy to neglect the Space Wolves such that they just end up as a faceless bunch of bloodthirsty berserkers who were looking for any excuse to purge another legion and took it out on the unsuspecting TS. You know, the way most people write Generic Chaos Marines (and World Eaters) or Orks? I'd hate to see that for the Wolves, who may be pretty bloodthirsty, but also have a lot of mulit-dimensionality as a chapter/legion. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I've not read any of the HH books yet. Are they worth a read? IMO they are the best SF series GW has at the moment. You will especially like the interaction between the Primarchs and their respective legions. Something not seen in 40K, where Primarchs are treat more like demi-gods rather than father-leader figures in flesh and blood. I can't wait till march to get my copy. What I didn't like about the interview is that Dan Abnett made the Space Wolves sound like World Eaters, but it is a known fact that Dan Abnett doesn't like Space Wolves. (He admitted as much himself). I just hope his dislike doesn't transpose into his writing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Genocidal Space Wolves? Now I like the sound of that. Think I might have to pop out and buy a myself a few books to read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I know this is heresy for a Space Wolf to say but the Thousand Sons were screwed and it was a cruel twist of fate that led a loyalist legion to the bosom of chaos I am also pissed that the Wolves were manipulated to perform the dirty work for the Changer of Ways Looking forward to the novels!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 i think you misread the quote from dan abnett. he has said on several occasions he dislikes writing as space wolves (as opposed to other chapterS) because their influences are so upfront. there is little subtlety in them, unlike the roman inspired ultramarines or instance. there are no filters applied to the themes that influence space wolves, they are pretty much vikings in space... nothing else. this is what makes them hard to write for as there is no real subtleness to apply, you can't normally hint at the underlying themes behind them as a chapter. if you've read the short story in one of the HH books thats the sort of thing i am expecting. the themes are all there they just aren't as overplayed. also lets notforget the space wolves did go beserk on prospero, they were filled with anger at the perceived betrayel of magnus and there was already hostiliy behind the two chapters beliefs and ways. they were asked to give no quarter and were sent to exact the emperors fury on the thousand sons... what i am dreading is the book being written in a similar vain to the battle for the abyss book, as imo that was laazy writing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 i think you misread the quote from dan abnett. he has said on several occasions he dislikes writing as space wolves (as opposed to other chapterS) because their influences are so upfront. there is little subtlety in them, unlike the roman inspired ultramarines or instance. there are no filters applied to the themes that influence space wolves, they are pretty much vikings in space... nothing else. this is what makes them hard to write for as there is no real subtleness to apply, you can't normally hint at the underlying themes behind them as a chapter.if you've read the short story in one of the HH books thats the sort of thing i am expecting. the themes are all there they just aren't as overplayed. also lets notforget the space wolves did go beserk on prospero, they were filled with anger at the perceived betrayel of magnus and there was already hostiliy behind the two chapters beliefs and ways. they were asked to give no quarter and were sent to exact the emperors fury on the thousand sons... what i am dreading is the book being written in a similar vain to the battle for the abyss book, as imo that was laazy writing I did not misread the quote and I quote from the BL blog 'The reason for this - and I really do understand that the following revelation is such a heretical statement that Eisenhorn might have to come and shoot me through the lungs - is that I don’t really like Space Wolves.' (bold is added) Overall I do agree with you, except for the subtility part. Although they are vikings in outer space that is just the basis of their background. Vikings had a complex social life just like every other culture in history. Their stories can be told in all the subtlety you like. It just depends on how good the author is. Transpose this onto the Space Wolves and you will have a good yarn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Friday, May 15, 2009 Illuminations I am Space Wolves up the YingYang. There are two things I can promise you: You have never seen Space Wolves like this, and, these will be the mothers and fathers of all Space Wolves. Nik’s scared: she doesn’t get Space Wolves, and she doesn’t get what all the fuss is about. It’s going to get nasty, and it may never get nice again. http://theprimaryclone.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 @ Nightrunner read the entire lower part of this page and you will see that what i was saying was correct. Whilst he feels they are great on the table and from a fun point of view he also says how there are no filters and no layers to their inspirations, they are exactly what they appear to be, Space Vikings. http://theprimaryclone.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html either way, hes a good writer and if this book (and the thousand son half) is well written it will likely be the best in the series since the opening set. i have no doubt that it will be a worthwile addition to the horus heresy books and also provide valuable information for those wanting more background on the leion as a whole and the 13th company... im undoubtedly going to take many ideas from the books and incorporate them into my army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 just listen to the begining; it truely depicts how though we are! and i'm pretty sure dan 's going to depict us in a good way afterall, he wouldn't want to upset of so that on the next gamesday he would be facing a mad mob of space wolves, armed to the teeth :D edit; it's proudbly quit eold but it confirms a bit how he's going to depict us: 2:37 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 The first one is good, since it is the only 40k book not filled with death until the mid. The second is good as well. The 3rd is OKish, the 4th is OK. The 5th is OK ish. Do NOT read 6 and 8th! That would be the first dark angel book and battle in the abbys. It is not worth the paper it is printed on even if you where using it to light a fire. Mecanicum is very booring and bland (but cool insight in the 40k lore) Tales of heresey is a bit cool, and fallen angels is decent (if you like dark angels.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoClone Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I think the SW got played, and knew they got played, by both sides in the end and so did the TS. The SW refused to believe the Emperor could have used them in such a way but the TS didn't. The TS exposed to the SW of their naivety and by this point any chance they could be accepted back in the Imperium was lost. Having already one foot on the other side the TS went the rest of the way, turned chaos and escape. This caused the SW to lose it because not only did they ultimately "fail" they got played the fool by everyone. This would be a bitter pill to swallow for them but something they may have felt they could never question openly...to do so would make it appear they were traitorous. This may have shaped them into what they are today. A chapter who snubs the authority of the Imperium so blatantly and fights hard to protect those under their watch. Because they don't want others to be used like they were. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 This may have shaped them into what they are today. A chapter who snubs the authority of the Imperium so blatantly and fights hard to protect those under their watch. Because they don't want others to be used like they were. Sounds good. Would be nice to have some hints about why such a feral legion is also one of the most humane of all. Anyway, cant wait till march :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoClone Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 This may have shaped them into what they are today. A chapter who snubs the authority of the Imperium so blatantly and fights hard to protect those under their watch. Because they don't want others to be used like they were. Sounds good. Would be nice to have some hints about why such a feral legion is also one of the most humane of all. Anyway, cant wait till march :ph34r: Because if they don't show the people they protect they are worthy of their loyalty then they are no better then Horus or the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 @ Nightrunner read the entire lower part of this page and you will see that what i was saying was correct. Whilst he feels they are great on the table and from a fun point of view he also says how there are no filters and no layers to their inspirations, they are exactly what they appear to be, Space Vikings. http://theprimaryclone.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html either way, hes a good writer and if this book (and the thousand son half) is well written it will likely be the best in the series since the opening set. i have no doubt that it will be a worthwile addition to the horus heresy books and also provide valuable information for those wanting more background on the leion as a whole and the 13th company... im undoubtedly going to take many ideas from the books and incorporate them into my army. I did read the lower part and if I'm not mistaken I did agree with you overall; I quoted that just to show that I didn't misquote, that's all. With respects to what he says about no filters and no layers to their inspirations, they are exactly what they appear to be, Space Vikings, here I respectfully disagree with Mr Abnett (despite the fact that I enjoy his writting). The same can be said of all Space Marines, like the Ultramarines who are basically Romans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2222920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 fair enough <_< be interesting to see wat he comes out with in the book... should be some tasty revalations Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2223027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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