Grey Mage Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Doh...well...Dark Elves, Dark Angels...is there really a difference? :D Goth vs Emo, the difference is huge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I've not read any of the HH books yet. Are they worth a read? Talking about their genre and other fantasy books I have read; Horus Rising - A+ False Gods - A Galaxy in flames - B Flight of the Eisenstein - WIP I am looking forwards to this duo. TS were my original fave Chaos Legion and I have not yet been satisfied with GW explaining why the SW turned on them. I hope they flesh it out for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 But we know how it ends! Russ kicks Magnus' butt, hard! Though I am interested to see our legion portrayed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 You see, I can't help but wonder about the Emperors role in all of this. Abnett hints that the Wolves were in existance "to take down another Legion." Other Heresy novels have hinted that the Emperor perhaps knew more about what was about to unfold than we originally realised. False Gods, Mechanicum and Legion all say this. Consider: Both Legion and False Gods imply strongly that the Emperor knew the results of the road he was taking. Psykers are the evolution of mankind, and the Emperor was seeking to bring them to the fore. The Emperor was at the very least aware of the existence of the Chaos Gods, and most likely of the Cabal (see Legion) We know that the Canis Helix means that there is a resilience to the effects of the Warp. Now it transpires that this may have been deliberate. That the Emperor knew that there was the possibility of at least one Primarch (most likely Magnus) could well be turned against him. Could it be that the Canis Helix is a result of the Emperor's genetic meddling to try to create Untouchables? If the Wolves are designed to be capable of destroying a tainted Legion, and the Thousand Sons were already suspected... then this implies that the Heresy was predicted before the Primarchs were created. And the Emperor already had taken steps to limit damage when it occured. Of course, this has one singular flaw. The Wolves were unleashed incorrectly. But then, The Last Church and the Dark Angels stories already show the Emperor was probably deeply flawed in many respects... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I did like that bit about why letting such a savage legion survive. It's going to be a thought provoking book, the Emperor had such faith in the Wolves of Russ in being able to deal with another legion should it be necessary, probably not something afforded to each legion. He knew the Wolves would do as he instructed without question, but did he realise they would obey Horus? Perhaps the Emperor meant for the Heresy and the Fall of Prospero to happen? We're going to have to wait and find out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Would be nice to have some hints about why such a feral legion is also one of the most humane of all. I think this is really the heart of the "subtle" aspect of the Space Wolves. Despite their undeniably savagery, the Space Wolves are also one of the few chapters willing to take a stand against the Imperium when they disagree with the sort of politics that get planets wiped out for no good reason. This contradiction is what makes the Space Wolves interesting, and I think that if Abnett thinks the chapter isn't multidimensional, he has missed this. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Would be nice to have some hints about why such a feral legion is also one of the most humane of all. I think this is really the heart of the "subtle" aspect of the Space Wolves. Despite their undeniably savagery, the Space Wolves are also one of the few chapters willing to take a stand against the Imperium when they disagree with the sort of politics that get planets wiped out for no good reason. This contradiction is what makes the Space Wolves interesting, and I think that if Abnett thinks the chapter isn't multidimensional, he has missed this. -Stormshrug I think this is an excellent point Stormshrug. They are much more than vikings in space, just like Ultramarines are not just marble sh*****g Romans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoClone Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Would be nice to have some hints about why such a feral legion is also one of the most humane of all. I think this is really the heart of the "subtle" aspect of the Space Wolves. Despite their undeniably savagery, the Space Wolves are also one of the few chapters willing to take a stand against the Imperium when they disagree with the sort of politics that get planets wiped out for no good reason. This contradiction is what makes the Space Wolves interesting, and I think that if Abnett thinks the chapter isn't multidimensional, he has missed this. -Stormshrug I think this is an excellent point Stormshrug. They are much more than vikings in space, just like Ultramarines are not just marble sh*****g Romans. See it wasn't hard for us to give the SW depth and more...so how is it hard for him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 perhaps one of us should link these topics to his facebook?=p afterall we'd gladly help in any way we can wouldn't we? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187824-space-wolves-and-the-next-horus-heresy-book/page/2/#findComment-2223868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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