SamaNagol Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Take a Wolf Lord who's Wargear was: Runic Armour, Frost Blade, Storm Shield and model him as a Terminator. Would this be illegal? He has a 2+/3++ save same as a Terminator with a Storm Shield would have.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Probably not, by WYSIWYG. In a friendly match, I wouldn't have a problem with it, provided you clearly specified it in advance. Now, if you put a termie WL on a bike or TWM, it'd probably be ok. But that's because it's more obvious what is going on. Sounds like an interesting conversion, as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2222881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 I'm just trying to find a way round not being able to model a Wolf Lord with a Frost Blade and Terminator Armour. Runic Armour, Frost Blade and Storm Shield comes to 75 pts Terminator Armour, Power Fist (comparable price to Frost Blade when taken in power armour) and Storm Shield comes to 75pts So the cost is effectively identical, with exactly the same saves, but with Runic Armour you retain Grenades, take up 1 slot in a Transport and can still sweeping advance. Plus you get the save vs Psychic attacks. So I have no idea why they didn't put Terminator Armour and a Frost Blade in as a combination because it is actually WORSE than taking it with Runic Armour. We just all want to put them in Terminator Armour because it looks kick ass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2222894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 dont be fooled , you can always put a terminator armor mini on a normal 25mm infantry base and tell your opponent what that mini is and is totally legal , as its owners discretion on modeling design of the mini Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2222906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 As can you put a Power Armoured mini on a 40mm base as well. So how about a Terminator model on a 40mm base that 'Counts As' runic armour? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2222911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 for that it had to be no , as all termis minis are on 40mm base , and GW rules says that it has to be on the base "where the unit is suppose to come with" , so while you can do the opposite for putting it on a smaller base (as long as it is used as something in game that qualify s the base usage( but not the other way around as you gain advantage over at the game level Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2222919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 No, you actually are allowed to put a model on a base 1 size up. That's been long established. Putting HQ models on larger bases is a frequent occurrence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2222937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 i dont think thats the case for tournaments but i could be wrong as i dont play in them and your missing my point , its OK to put models on larger bases than required (since you chose to have a disadvantage) , but not the other way around (unfair to opponent) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2222947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 My Wolf Lord wields a Thunder Hammer and Frost Blade and I wanted him as a Terminator (because he leads a pack of Terminators and it doesn't look right him being the smallest.) But as I can't issue him a frost blade it is counts as runic armour, though he only sees light in apocalypse games as he's so expensive :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Hell, if its apocalypse just give him a Legion Relic and be done with it :D. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Hell, if its apocalypse just give him a Legion Relic and be done with it ;). You have a point there, that makes him pretty nasty with 8 attacks basic at strength 10! :D But I pay for the wargear anyway just in case someone else would really want to take the asset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 No, you actually are allowed to put a model on a base 1 size up. That's been long established. Putting HQ models on larger bases is a frequent occurrence. Really? And where are the rules for that? What's an established houserule in one area does not equal an actual official rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 No, you actually are allowed to put a model on a base 1 size up. That's been long established. Putting HQ models on larger bases is a frequent occurrence. Really? And where are the rules for that? What's an established houserule in one area does not equal an actual official rule. Some players like to mount their models on impressive scenic bases...make sure before the game that your opponent does not mind this. I seem to remember (however I think it was 4th ed.) that it stated you the base size provided with the model was the minimum size, bigger bases were fine, now it seems you need permission. But big bases can out you at a disadvantage, when disembarking for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I seem to remember (however I think it was 4th ed.) that it stated you the base size provided with the model was the minimum size, bigger bases were fine, now it seems you need permission. According to page 3 of the brb models should be on the base they came with, anything else is with the opponents parmission or local houserules... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 in all honesty if people were to complain about it being on a base larger than that supplied it makes you wonder what else they will complain about during the game (in short, do you really want to play people who would complain about something as trivial as that?). im not insinuating anyone here is like that, but its a fair point. There is little advantage gained in mounting IC on larger bases (as it just means you have more attacks coming against them) so it becomes a question of 'will this guy look cooler or stand out more as a leader on this new base?'. I wouldn't have an issue with someone modelling the guy in termnator armour PROVIDING i was told at the start what armour and weapon he had. @Mikal why give him both thunderhammer and frost blade? is it just so you can choose which you attack with? It just seems quite an expensive way of doing things... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 in all honesty if people were to complain about it being on a base larger than that supplied it makes you wonder what else they will complain about during the game (in short, do you really want to play people who would complain about something as trivial as that?). im not insinuating anyone here is like that, but its a fair point. There is little advantage gained in mounting IC on larger bases (as it just means you have more attacks coming against them) so it becomes a question of 'will this guy look cooler or stand out more as a leader on this new base?'. I wouldn't have an issue with someone modelling the guy in termnator armour PROVIDING i was told at the start what armour and weapon he had. @Mikal why give him both thunderhammer and frost blade? is it just so you can choose which you attack with? It just seems quite an expensive way of doing things... Some people are pedantic about things, the one exception is Canis, it even says so in the codex that it is a big no-no. I would indeed inform my opponent that he happened to have a large suit of runic armour. And yes, it's so I can decide what I want to use, he runs at about 245 points (saga of the bear to keep him alive) ence only being used in apocalypse, but I can choose my attacks determined by the opponent, horde=Frost Blade, MC/IC/vehicle=Thunder Hammer. I wanted an extravagant Wolf Lord but as Grey Mage pointed out, the Legion Relic is nasty indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 You also need to consider that this "counts-as" nonsense really only works if he is the only Terminator model in your entire army. If you have other characters/Wolf Guard in Terminator Armor, counting as "Terminators", then I would raise my eyebrow if you then decided you wanted your Wolf Lord (also wearing Terminator Armor), to count as "Runic Armor" instead. Even if he were the only "Terminator" model in your army, I would raise my eyebrow as it's clearly established that what he's wearing is Terminator Armor. I'd consider it more lazy than "creative" that you just decided to arbitrarily say "this model in Terminator Armor with Storm Shield and Frostblade is really just a model in Runic Armor with Stormshield and Frostblade", rather than put any real effort in distinguishing him from the rest. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 Whilst what you are saying in principle is entirely correct, there are only a handful of in game situations in which him ACTUALLY wearing Runic Armour instead of Terminator Armour would make any difference at all. So it is hardly like you will be subject to any confusion whatsoever. And I've never been told I couldn't use a model on a larger base during any of my tournament appearances in 3rd and 4th Edition. I doubt it has changed in 5th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Take a Wolf Lord who's Wargear was: Runic Armour, Frost Blade, Storm Shield and model him as a Terminator. Would this be illegal? He has a 2+/3++ save same as a Terminator with a Storm Shield would have.... well i am going to model my Wolf Lord on the bigger base, i am also working on making him taller. to my knowledge, you can model a mini on any base larger then wht it comes with you just cant cry foul when it is targeted in cc. it is kind of like how if you model a mini standing on top of a fallen foe, you cant cry foul when you can clearly see him over a barracade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 just imagine you give canis a 12" broad base or even a U shaped one. it would be messy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Yeah, thank god he even states in his entry not to mess with his base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187859-if-i-were-to/#findComment-2223509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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