Grey Mage Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 When it comes down to certain rule discussions, common sense; typically; should be applied. :) Common sense informs me that when they said "use the bases we provided and itll be ok" they meant it. If they provided square bases.... and someone uses them.... then everything is going as it should. There are many models that have come with square bases for 40k over the years, so this shouldnt be a shock, suprise, or revelation for anyone. Its nothing new at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2227191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warprat Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I have an unassembled unit of metal Deamonettes, that came with both round and square bases. I believe that I have to chose between one type of base or the other. Round for 40K, square for Fantasy. Both kinds of bases came with the figures, but I can't choose to mix them. Since I play 40K, then it's round bases for me. If I choose to use them in Fantasy, there are movement trays I can buy that have round holes to fit, and hopefully they would be allowed (but maybe not!). If a 40K figure only came new in the box, with a square or rectangle base, then it is appropriate to use it. If the figure was purchased in a Fantasy box/blister, then it is a Fantasy figure, unless the rules state it can be used for either Fantasy or 40K. The new boxes usually come with both types of bases. If you check out the GW Website for the 40K Chaos Deamon Army, it shows pictures of some units on round bases, and some on square. But in the discription, it usually states that the figures come with both bases and can be used either for Fantasy "or" 40K. You have to choose one or the other... If you purchased the figures before they became usable for 40K, or bought them 2nd hand, I would suggest purchasing some round bases and remounting them if possible. Especially if the newer 40K versions are sold with round bases. Warprat ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2227501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 If you check out the GW Website for the 40K Chaos Deamon Army, it shows pictures of some units on round bases, and some on square. But in the discription, it usually states that the figures come with both bases and can be used either for Fantasy "or" 40K. You have to choose one or the other...However, what happens when some current 40k models (or Daemons models) come only with squared bases? Are you forced to buy round bases to fit in with popular misconceptions? Also, some models in 5th edition 40k codexes are shown based on square bases. Does that allow such square bases (maybe only on those models that only come with them as previously mentioned), or just confuse the issue? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2227709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 If you check out the GW Website for the 40K Chaos Deamon Army, it shows pictures of some units on round bases, and some on square. But in the discription, it usually states that the figures come with both bases and can be used either for Fantasy "or" 40K. You have to choose one or the other... That doesnt mean you have to choose.... just the common sense concession to physics in that you cant play both games at once with the same models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2227799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ntin Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Chaos Daemons are the Schrödinger's cat of the Warhammers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2227940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warprat Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 If you check out the GW Website for the 40K Chaos Deamon Army, it shows pictures of some units on round bases, and some on square. But in the discription, it usually states that the figures come with both bases and can be used either for Fantasy "or" 40K. You have to choose one or the other... That doesnt mean you have to choose.... just the common sense concession to physics in that you cant play both games at once with the same models. Of course you have to choose, in the sense that you can't put 2 bases on one model. Choose round or square! LOL He, he... if you check out the pictures on the GW site, almost all the Fantasy figures are on square bases, but the 40K pictures have both round and square types. Heh, you say... "they are just using old pictures." To which I reply "It's a bait and switch conspiracy to convince unsuspecting Fantasy players that they can use their figures to play 40K!" Cause when they do, they are caught in the fine print: " http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1170246 Supplied with 25mm round and 25mm square bases, these can be used with either your Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000 Daemon army. You think that you are getting something on the cheap... But GW doesn't supply 2 sets of bases because they are just being generous. Play with whatever bases you want when you are among friends. But if you expect to be able to play the square bases at GW 40K tourneys, think again. Unfortunately, GW is in the gaming business to make money. Sorry... I wish it wasn't so. :( Warprat ;) (Slightly edited for clarity...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2228036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 If you check out the GW Website for the 40K Chaos Deamon Army, it shows pictures of some units on round bases, and some on square. But in the discription, it usually states that the figures come with both bases and can be used either for Fantasy "or" 40K. You have to choose one or the other... That doesnt mean you have to choose.... just the common sense concession to physics in that you cant play both games at once with the same models. Of course you have to choose, in the sense that you can't put 2 bases on one model. Choose round or square! LOL He, he... if you check out the pictures on the GW site, almost all the Fantasy figures are on square bases, but the 40K pictures have both round and square types. Heh, you say... "they are just using old pictures." To which I reply "It's a bait and switch conspiracy to convince unsuspecting Fantasy players that they can use their figures to play 40K!" Cause when they do, they are caught in the fine print: " http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1170246 Supplied with 25mm round and 25mm square bases, these can be used with either your Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000 Daemon army. You think that you are getting something on the cheap... But GW doesn't supply 2 sets of bases because they are just being generous. Play with whatever bases you want when you are among friends. But if you expect to be able to play the square bases at GW tourneys, think again. Unfortunately, GW is in the gaming business to make money. Sorry... I wish it wasn't so. :P Warprat :P (Slightly edited for clarity...) Thankfully thats a product description, not rules... and so has no bearing on the game. And again "either" isnt an eternal decision... I can play either 40k or fantasy, but not both at once. Thus my Daemon army will be either 40k or fantasy, as appropriate for the situation. Show me some rules to support the issue and Ill think about it, otherwise its still using the bases supplied with them... so there should be no issue, ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2228039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warprat Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Show me some rules to support the issue and Ill think about it, otherwise its still using the bases supplied with them... so there should be no issue, ever. Unfortunately, you and I don't run all the tournaments. Because both of us would allow square bases with no issue... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2228044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Show me some rules to support the issue and Ill think about it, otherwise its still using the bases supplied with them... so there should be no issue, ever. Unfortunately, you and I don't run all the tournaments. Because both of us would allow square bases with no issue... Id ask the TO to show me the rules to- because if they dont have a houserule written down, I dont see how they can enforce it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2228076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Fatiswon Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 In the 2nd ed. of WH40k, the BA fusio(Sp) dreadnaught and the regular dread both came Modeled on Squard bases and seeing how they are both GW/citidel Produces as the bases are as well idky you should NOT be allowed to field ur models in Sanctioned events...IMHO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2228080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I find that ordinary washers (the little circles of metal used for bolts and such) and neodymium magnets worked well for swapping back and forth between bases. Just use a bit of putty or greenstuff to fill in the hole in the center. I do it with all my models, and no one has ever said anything (most don't even notice). I don't see why it wouldn't work for square bases, since the diameter is the same. You'd just have to fill in the corners with your basing, which would only be a problem if you had elaborate basing (rocks or snow drifts or something). I paint the rims of my bases different colours for squad markings, and mount my models on washers. That way I can put any model on a base, increasing and decreasing the size of a squad however I please. It also allows me to decrease the amount of things like specialist models in my marine armies I have to purchase. You'd be surprised how much money it saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2229591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar8481 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 It's somewhat ridiculous that GW doesn't just provide as a part of each units rules whether they require a small/medium/large base and solve this whole issue (as other companies games do). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2229925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Because GW in many ways is a modeling company... and that would be rather restrictive from a modeling pont of veiw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2229940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogstaff Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 It's somewhat ridiculous that GW doesn't just provide as a part of each units rules whether they require a small/medium/large base and solve this whole issue (as other companies games do). Why should they, when the base they're required to be mounted on is already explicitly stated? Whatever base they came with. This is actually a very elegant rule, because it solves a lot of problems that came up previously. Do old terminators have to be cut off their old bases and put on new ones? Nope, they're mounted on the bases they came with so they're in full compliance with the rules. My old bikes are on rectangular cavalry bases, do I need to pull them off and put them the new oval one? No, the rule is clear that they're fine. There's really no rational reason for someone to object to square bases in 40k, because there exist no rules anywhere that state bases with corners are somehow unacceptable, and the only rule that does relate to bases says quite clearly that they are ok. It's only an issue because for some reason, the presence of corners really get stuck up some peoples' noses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2231472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster damion Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Right as an ex uk staffer I can add this to the discusion In all the time I worked there I activly told people buying Deamons to mount them on square bases as this would be totally legal for both systems on the instrucyion of my manager and his manager! And on the tornament thing I have never been to a tornament in the uk both offical and local that have declaired my all square based ravenwing army illegal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2231553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theink Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 So would having old termies on the small base that they came with be okay or do you have to put them on larger bases Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2231716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Old TDA on small base is 100% OK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/187931-of-squares-and-circles/page/2/#findComment-2231722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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