Drop podding wolves...

[Archnomad]

Just a thought here. The main problem seems to be the lack of special weapons for the alpha strike. So, I thought, what about power armoured wolf guard. Any thoughts about spamming combi weapons as well as the fact they're kickass in combat.

 

Thoughts?

[hendrik]

so wait, you actually think we lack some serious firepower in a normal grey hunter unit?

sit down bloodclaw, and listen to the advise this greybeard's gonna give you;)

first of all, wolf guard aren't scoring unles you take the great wolf(which imo you shouldn't from a fluff point of view when playing small games)

second, a grey hunterpack numbering 10 can take 2 special weapons and a plasma pistol, one numbering 9 can have 1 special weapon,a plasma pistol and be led by a wolf guard with a combi weapon of some sort. even bigger, a pack numbering 8 grey hunters (1 special weapon, 1 PP),led by a wolf guard (combiweapon) and a hq with a special weapon(or a rune priest if you want some serious firepower)

now tell me again we don't have enought bang in our pods! just because the ultras have these shiny sternguards toting with all their special weapons means we need them. we're sons of russ and damn it we're proud of it! :)

[Jonas Stromclaw]

Easy hendrik, don't rip the lad's head off.

 

As already pointed out normal GH squads have sufficient firepower. However, S7 plasma (which was what hendrik was refering to methinks) doesn't do all that great against AV 14. So yes, if you're facing monolith or LR spam, a pod of 5 or so WG w/ combi meltas will make back their points turn one. However, for tourny lists and such, I would always go with 2x meltas in a GH unit, as it is much more versatile. Remember, WG die just as easily as any other marine.

[hendrik]

ar jonas, maybe it came of a bit hostile, but none was meant;)

have an ale on me lad! and give jonas one too, for tonight's a good night to feast!

 

and i was actually refering to all sorts of special weapons, the plasmas sure make a nice bang but 2 meltaguns, a plasmapistol and a combimelta can take out quite a lot too actually;)

[Archnomad]

Not if we have a character or wolf guard in the unit. And frankly I'm not giving GHs a power fist to see of vehicles when a WG is so much better.

 

Regards :)

 

edit; Ale! Bah, you make the mistake of assuming I came without my own! However free drinks all round is certainly in order. Thank you brother. God I love this forum. ;)

 

Regards

[hendrik]

who mentioned powerfists?=/

i mean shooty special weapons like plasmaguns and meltaguns

[Archnomad]

Well we kind of need them. Especially in today's environment. Ale?

[hendrik]

well lets compare some units then

if i want an uber shooty unit i'd take 8 grey hunters in a pod, i would give them 1 plasmagun and a plasmapistol, attach a wolf guard with combiplasma and thunderhammer to it, depending on what else i've got i would then either take another grey hunter bringing the pack size up to 9 or include a rune priest (if i really wanted to go over the top njal! )

let's say i pick the 9 greyhunter+TH,combiplasma wolf guard-option, this costs me 243 pts, pod included

these can pump out 14(16) boltershots and 5 plasmashots when in rapid fire. to me this is enough bang. the most important thing however is that my unit is a scoring unit and therefor in my opinion better

*now takes archnomads' ale and settles himself to the campfire*

[Archnomad]

Well if you go the wolf guard route I can have 6 combi meltas and four combi plasmas, with a power fist. Admittedly they cost about forty points more but do a lot more damage on the alpha strike. As well as being able to be geared up for more combatty purposes. I definately think it needs explored.

[hendrik]

ofcourse they hit hard, but what after they come down? now you've got some boltertoting guys,althought with 2 attacks, still aren't that much better then my grey hunters thanks to the grey hunters having uber grit. while your pack migh deal a harder blow it's a one time blow while the grey hunterpack remains almost as efficiant tthe whole time. on top of this lasting effeciency comes the scoring part, what really makes it all no?

if you want the greyhunters to be upgraded for a bit more of close combat you can add a powerweapon and a mark of the wulfen, while still being cheaper then your wolf guard pack

[Archnomad]

Of course taking Logan is neccessay, but remember minus the combis WG are only a tiny bit more costly. But aye I just think it's an idea worth exploring. I'm not insulting grey hunters in any way, my current army has three units of them...

[SamaNagol]

If you take Logan, then take as many PA WG as you can. They are superb value for 18 pts and the loss of 'full time' Melta Guns is easily balanced out by taking 3 combis in a squad. You are only ever likely to get 2 rounds of shooting within 6" with Meltaguns anyway.

 

The extra A and extra Ld is a HUGE benefit for only 4 pts more. And they are actually cheaper when given Power Fists compared to Grey Hunters!

[Jonas Stromclaw]

It all depends on what you want to do lads. Do you want to put down a unit that can do pretty much anything well and still take objectives without also having to take an expensive special character? Take ten GH in a pod. Do you need something dead, right now, turn one? Take ten WG with combi-plas or combi-melta. Its as simple as that.

[Niiai]

Well you can always pod dreads and regular terminators to do the heavy lifting early, and you can pod down the GH later to mop up the rest. :-)

[Grey Mage]

Fair enough, and that can be a really good idea- but I like having afew more bodies on the board turn 1, so I like to have about 1/3 of my pods for the first wave be GHs- they do alot of heavy lifting themselves in my lists though.

[Niiai]

In my erperience the GH are very good. They need a whole lott of firepower to die.

 

That being said we have other choises that can be more tailored to the needs for the drop pod. I will say a Drop Pod of Treminators is just as scary, if not more so.

 

I think it would be vice to have difernt drop pod's to chose from. 1 WG with TDA, 1 With GH and one with Dread, and then you can attack using what you need the moast depending on the deployment of your opponent.

 

Also, landing a pack of greyhunters late is a huge innpack since they shoot up whatever he has camping objectives and counterclaim it.

[Quillen]

I pod like a mother but the new dex really nerfed the plasma podding. And here is why I say so.

 

Old list is 7 Grey hunters 2 with plasma pistols and power Fist and one Plasma Rifle. Sometimes I would through in a Wolf Gaurd with Plasma pistol and power fist. So you had a ton of fists for melee and you had 4 to 5 plasma shots.

 

Now it's only 2 plasma guns if you take 10 guys. If not with a wolf gaurd it's 4 plasma shots. And the cost is out the roof.

 

 

The new list I am working on is all wolf Gaurd with logan leading them. Looks like this.

 

Logan Grimnar

Wolf Priest

2 WG with Combi melta and power fist

3 Wolf Gaurd with Plasma pistol and power weapon

2 WG BP and CCW Just to soak a couple of hits.

 

Now these guys have 2 attacks base. And if you make our leadership you get 4 Attacks on the counter charge with 3 power weapons. And they are only 3 points more. Add thefake that the special gear is cheaper to a wolf gaurd and it really makes it sweet. Only 271 points with a pod. And Logan in there to smack stuff around and this list is a death machine.

 

I can do 5 of these packs and both heroes and come in under 1750. With a Drop pod assault 3 of these pods come down and pretty much kill 3 things of your choice. If they charge it they die not you. I have done the math, now I need to test it in the field a few times to see it the math backs up reality.

 

Still look at it. 2 Combi meltas and then 3 plasma pistol attacks on landing. So 5 attacks again. But you have 2 fists for biggens and 3 power weapons for marines. And the extra base attack makes these guys totally sick.

 

I just am dreading making the models. I have enouh for 3 squads I would have to buy 2 more and the fists and weapons. grrrrrrr. Alot of money out of pocket again. Still....the look on their faces when 3 of thier squads or tanks get nuked right off, and then they see what ever charged them getting reaped as well. lol

[Grey Mage]

10 GHs *new dex* with 2 Plasmarifles and PP, and PF, in a pod- 235pts.

7 GHs,*old dex* with PR, 2x PP, PF, 4x Bolters, WG w/ PF+PP, in a pod- 267.

 

The only thing that went up in cost for the new codex really is HQs, and WGTDA.