Feuermann Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I'm readign a lot of new DH, but anything about the deathwatch or if I want to use deathwatch I must use the sternguard vets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I'm readign a lot of new DH, but anything about the deathwatch or if I want to use deathwatch I must use the sternguard vets? GW has said they're not planning to make any new armies until all the current codices are updated, so for next several years anyone who wants to play Deathwatch has to work out of Codex:SM. Considering the fact that the Deathwatch are essentially Codex Marines with a lot of veterans and special ammo, a sternguard heavy force led by Kantor is an adequate representation. Personally, I am not sure GW would want to crank out yet another codex of loyalist marines, especially when the Deathwatch (unlike the Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights) is deployed in squad-sized kill teams rather than large, cohesive forces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Someone said a few pages back no Deathwatch at all since GW feels they are similar to Sternguard and would be dropped or something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Validar Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 though it is offtopic, I think it is possible to capture the deathwatch fluff in a list by using sternguards. A friend of mine did this and won the fluff award at a turnament this weekend. It should be said that the turnament was played under a number of house rules (most notably making everything with WS scoring) and an army selection system, so it was very much competitive at the turnament aswell :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 About the codex, maybe with the HH series going on, and the Garro audibook coming, can we expect to have the Inq origin explained? :) Go to the GW website, the specialists games section, and download the free Thorian Handbook for the Inquisitor game. The origins of the =][= are contained within... I'm not very found of that book badly written by Thorpe. And I'm not alone with that :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I'm not very found of that book badly written by Thorpe. And I'm not alone with that ;) Fond of it or not, I bring it up because it's a GW published sourcebook for the Inquisitor game, which is GW official fluff for the Inquisition. Even if it has portions we don't like, it is the official founding and background of the Inquisition and who they are. You wondered about the origins of the Inquisition, so I had to point out GW has already revealed them to us :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Much as I like the Thorian Sourcebook, it appears that it only tells part of the story of the founding of the Inquisition - i.e those bits to do with the Resurrectionists. There way the HH series is going, it sounds like there's more to the story than just the opponents of Promeus and Moriana - but I guess only time will tell... And then there are a couple of (rather old) sources that mention the existence of the Inquisition pre-Heresy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbreaker Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I hope Matt Ward writes the DH book ;) I hope he doesn't for the simple reason that if Matt Ward was furniture no one would buy him since everything he stands for is broken. Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2330846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 If Matt Ward writes th GK/DH book the cries of "ZOMG cheese!" will be never ending and horribly loud (imagine what the next dex would have to be like to actually give us some rivals). Although there would probably be an autowin list which I could field... Arrrggghh, the power gaming, its drawing me in, no... I play pure DH for a reason, arrrggghhhh! So boys and girls anyone up for an apocalypse game? I'll be using my multiple all laser reaver titans... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Kaelgrim Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Isn't Phil Kelly writing DH? I thought Harry at Warseer said a while back that he was working on it since Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I don't care if people call it cheesy. I want my GKGM to hold it own against a bloodthirster. I want my GKs to woop space marines around. I want my share of winning 75% of the games if I put a bit of effort into it... Did I mention that I got a 1250pts eldar+1250pts sisters vs 2x1250pts of nids yesterday? The Nids guy (he played both nids armies since we were 3 players) almost tabled us by the end of turn 2 and his 3 units of 15 gargoyles hadn't even entered yet... Bring on our uber-5th ed. codex, we're entitled to it... I'm just a bit sad that the flow of rumors has gone back towards DE. Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glsn Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 It'll come, boys and girls, it'll come, and when it does, oh boy. I want to pay 100 points for a Justicar who has the stats of a Librarian, keeping/updating as much/many of the rules and wargear as would be fair. I expect that the Force Weapon would function as the NFW now does. I want to pay 50 points a Grey Knight, but all in Artificer Armour, I5, and with Feel No Pain and a 5+ invul save (joking on the last two) again, as above, keeping/updating as much/many of the rules and wargear as would be fair, and making our Psycannons Rending. In essance, I want to face down a horde of chaos/mutated xeno scum with 10 men and have a chance of winning but die gloriously in the end anyways. Wait, thats what our book does now. HUZZAH!!! *charges into battle* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhalyar Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Keep in mind that GW likes to drop point costs so you have to buy (and field) more models ^_^ Would be nice if Grey Knights were the exception, but I fully expect GW to lower the points to match their current strength rather than boost them to better reflect their current price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 In a 'new fluff' thread on the BA section there is a discussion on how GK are mentioned in the codex as allies (and apparently crucial in taking out some insidious Greater Demon of Khorne). They see a preparation of a future codex in it. Wether it's true or not... it's nice to see the GK still pop up in other fluff/armybooks/... . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Keep in mind that GW likes to drop point costs so you have to buy (and field) more models :P Would be nice if Grey Knights were the exception, but I fully expect GW to lower the points to match their current strength rather than boost them to better reflect their current price. I'd rather see them become more 'elite' to be honest. :) I'll still buy pretty new GK models regardless of what I already have though. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhalyar Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 So do I, part of what makes Grey Knights so interesting is their low number of fielded troops. It'd be a shame if the army that best represents 'quality over quantity' starts fielding tons of models. My greatest wish is that GW don't just copy/paste standard SM entries into the new codex. If the Stormraven is limited (yeah right!), that's good. Jetbikes, that'd be awesome. Drop pods, more standard-pattern Land Raiders and Rhinos? Blah. They have access to things no one else does, as evidenced by the fact that while the Mechanicus was collectively acting like a baby about the Stormraven, the GK were already using it. Hopefully that'll be reflected with unique options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeddon Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 In a 'new fluff' thread on the BA section there is a discussion on how GK are mentioned in the codex as allies (and apparently crucial in taking out some insidious Greater Demon of Khorne). They see a preparation of a future codex in it. Wether it's true or not... it's nice to see the GK still pop up in other fluff/armybooks/... . There was also a section in the new Space Wolves codex that talks about Grey Knight terminators teleporting in and whooping some daemon behind. What do you think? Marketing ploy to get more people thinking about Grey Knights? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Maybe some hints that the allies rules will stay for 5ed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I'd be suprised if allies stay in. First because it mean people have to buy less models (as they can use their existing SMs), second because it causes all sorts of rules and balance issues. I thinks they're integrating the GKs in the fluff all around, possibly to collectively remind everyone they exist! I'm also pretty sure they'll stay "elity", that is they will cost more than regular marines. My guess is they'll stay around the same price, that the Justicar will be reduced to somewhere around 35pts and that wargear will decrease in price (5 pts incinerator compared to a free flamer, 15 pts psycannon compared to a free Heavy Bolter, etc). They might also gain some regular stuff (frags) and their special rules will be made to work (ie auto-psychic hood when targeted by psychic and demonic powers, a shrouding that actually works). Anyways, I'd be surprised to see armies of 50+ models at 1500pts! Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tksolway Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 The DH and WH codices have left the website, I wonder how long it will take for them to release a release date? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Well, no one knows. But at least, the good news (for us!) is that the DE codex is still on the website... Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2331981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeddon Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I'd be suprised if allies stay in. First because it mean people have to buy less models (as they can use their existing SMs), second because it causes all sorts of rules and balance issues. I believe there was a rumor about including self contained allies, ie inducted Guard would have their own write-up in the book kind of like how we've got IST in there already but on a larger scale. Of course, one only needs to look at our IST and compare to the current IG codex ST to see the issues therein. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2332130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhalyar Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Blood Angels are coming out April 3rd, so I imagine that GW won't say a peep about the next army before then. And if the allies rule goes the way of the dodo, good riddance. IG armies with hood and able to turn a large area into a no man's land for deepstriking are ridiculous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2332131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Some discussions regarding the GK mentioned in the Blood Angels codex: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=195586 And how they see how some fluff mentioning indicates a codex release. I'm sceptic about such a train of thought but hey... who knows right? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2333103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Well, we do know GW likes to hide new releases in plain sight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188500-i-coming-in-2010/page/22/#findComment-2333131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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