=I= Coming in 2010?

[Vhalyar]

DPA on Warseer said "Point 5 is accurate".

 

He was talking about this list:

1. Inquisitor Dex will arrive before DE

2. DE by Christmas

3. Inquisitor Dex will be after 8th Ed Fantasy

4. One Codex to contain all Ordo's, Malleous, Xeno, and Heriric

5. Sisters will not be present in the Dex, but will have there own Codex at a later time.

6. Deathwatch/Alien Hunters will be present

 

No word about other points.

 

Actually he did say something about the other points ^_^

 

*Prepares the Planet Killer's Cyclonic NACL Torpeodes for thread purification*

 

:cool:

 

THEN he added that point 5 is true. In short the rumor was a load of bullpoop.

[BaronTuman]

Either way, if Sisters are removed then I'm still an unhappy player. Doing an inventory of my current armies, I have;

 

Black Templars - generally uncompetitive vs the newer codices.

Necrons - great if I want pity points from my opponents

Sisters - Going away as soon as the =I= codex comes out for unknown period of time?

Orks - Been playing them a very long time and looking for a change

 

I really hope that they don't invalidate the WH codex when the new =I= codex comes out. Sure, in 3 years I might see a sisters only codex, but by then all models will be 6" high my current models will look completely out of place on the table-top. Not that I'm cynical or anything right? :)

[Vhalyar]

They're not going to remove sisters or make them unplayable :)

If the new book specifically does not deal with Sisters then the WH codex is still valid.

 

Anyway, here's some tidbits from the SA 40k thread:

 

Dark Eldar are being pushed back to 2011 and Inquisition is coming out this year instead.

 

You heard it from me first. The manager's meeting in Vegas was a lot of fun!

I've gotten some word about it from a reliable person.

Inquisition codex will be out before the Dark Eldar, and you can expect to see those pointy ears start of 2011.

 

I know there's at least one regular poster there who worked for GW, so I'm giving these the benefits of doubt.

:cussposting rumors is generally frowned upon to boot.

[Magnus Thane]

Would make a great commander...

We must be due something more tangible soon though, rather than the half hearted stuff we've been hearing lately. Still, nowhere near as stupid as the BA rumour mill got!

In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, Night Haunters big daddy was actually Mega Batman! Or the Raven Guard? Or both!!! <_<

[boreas]

Two things:

 

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/05/40k...oming-soon.html

 

AND...

 

 

I've received my FW GK dread!!!

 

Huh, the way I read Reds8n's posts is that he's actually saying he doesn't believe in DE in August ;)

 

Nah, he was replying to a guy saying DE couldn't come out in August because that's where GKs were slated. (to which he said "I doubt it")...

 

This is really epic, no matter who comes out first! I'm still waiting for my FW GK dread. Some really superstitious part of me thinks that the Dread will arrive next week and at the same time GK will be announced for August. But if the dread doesn't come in next week...

 

Phil

 

Phil

[Justicar Valius]

GKT now ship in one to 2 weeks rather than 24 hours. This saddens me as they are awseome models and this is a sign they are being redone.

[BaronTuman]

They're not going to remove sisters or make them unplayable ;)

If the new book specifically does not deal with Sisters then the WH codex is still valid.

 

I think you're wrong. I believe they are trying to do away with allies. What will happen is they will invalidate both the WH & DH books with a "Sisters will be coming soon." statement. Then 2 years later we'll get a Sisters of Battle codex. Few know for certain, I'll either be right, or happy and wrong.

[Justicar Valius]

They won't invalidate codex:witchhunters but the next codex won't be called codex:Daemonhunters and won't have allying. That means they do away with a very large part of allying (i'm talking mystics retinues). Also the new GK codex due to a name chaange won't be taking any Witchhunter units due to a lack of anti armour or somthing (exorcists).

[Bishoujo]

They're not going to remove sisters or make them unplayable :P

If the new book specifically does not deal with Sisters then the WH codex is still valid.

 

I think you're wrong. I believe they are trying to do away with allies. What will happen is they will invalidate both the WH & DH books with a "Sisters will be coming soon." statement. Then 2 years later we'll get a Sisters of Battle codex. Few know for certain, I'll either be right, or happy and wrong.

 

I think you're wrong. Having a new Grey Knights / Daemonhunters / Inquisition codex come out will not invalidate the Witch Hunter's codex at all. There's no reason why it would. They are two separate books, and they are not being combined. This has been confirmed over and over again.

 

There will be a GK/DK/IQ book of some sort coming out. And sometime next year (hopefully) we will likely see a Sisters/Witch Hunters/Ecclesiarchy book.

[Vhalyar]

They're not going to remove sisters or make them unplayable :P

If the new book specifically does not deal with Sisters then the WH codex is still valid.

 

I think you're wrong. I believe they are trying to do away with allies. What will happen is they will invalidate both the WH & DH books with a "Sisters will be coming soon." statement. Then 2 years later we'll get a Sisters of Battle codex. Few know for certain, I'll either be right, or happy and wrong.

 

That makes zero sense and is not something GW has ever done in the past. Your army is safe.

[soots]

if =I= comes out in august ill be a happy guy :tu:

[Malladrius]

I wouldn't be happy I'd be ecstatic! You can still buy a de battle force in the US store and now the best and most venerable gk models are on their way out... Gw seems to be giving us some signs here

[S'jet]

I just wish they would either A ) bring back the SoB Squad box, or B ) Fit in a single Plastic SoB box (like that is going to happen). Unless you are loaded, or mad, SoB are very difficult to collect atm, unless you get a lucky second hand deal.

[Marmande]

Details man DETAILS

 

Hey, far as I can tell, most everyone is still trying to cover their ass.

All I've gotten so far is that it's a combined Ordos book. It'll be out before the end of 2010 (Dark Eldar are out 2011, Inquisition is before that).

 

SoB may be getting their own codex

 

Me: That'll probably mean a "get-you-by" list in WD or otherwise available. I figure the GW Devs went through Demonhunters and Witchunters and then slammed into the brick walls of Xenohunters. "Alright we got inquisitors, assassins, stormtroopers, and Dethwatch. Now we just need Fast Attack, Heavy, and Elites."

 

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Dedwrekka/Hammyinfo.jpg

 

Nah, everything after the "Me:" Part is just me musing on what I've been told. Just figuring out how it went in the GW mindset. The Ordo will all be in one book, minus SoB (Who may or may not be getting their own codex, still unsure).

[hmk17]

My thoughts on why the next codex is Inquisition.

 

1. The Inquisition is a extremely popular platform that has seen some of the best work GW/Black Library has to offer.

 

2. Other than the multitude of Space Marines choking the galaxy or the Legions of Imperial Guard, the Inquisition is the next most prominent face of the Imperium.

 

3. Out-moded codex. While DE, Necrons, WH and DH all share the woes SW and BA just dropped. Necrons and DE are their own self contained books. WH rely less on other books, but DH relies a lot off the SM codex since Grey Knights are Space Marines in the end.

 

4. Metagame issues. The Inquisitor/2 Mystic combo, while not game breaking is annoying. The fact that almost any reply to a tournament list for SM, IG, SW, or BA begins with... "Inquisitor and 2 Mystics..." It reeks of power gaming and not fluff. I expect that the ally rules will be reworked or revamped so you can't just splash Inquisition no matter which way you shape it.

 

5. New model test for codex. While Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights have been around for a long time, the 3rd edition codex for each army only covered a fraction of the actual Inquisition. (To which the Sisters of Battle are Ecclisiarchy and work in good relationship with the Ordo Hereticus as they the best at hunting down rogue psykers. The fluff of the Ordo Hereticus has moved away from dependency on the Sisters and more to specialized war-bands and kill teams with aid of PDF, IG, and the Adeptus Arbites (all of which are typically more available on hand than Soritas) [Emperor's Mercy, Dark Heresy novels and RPG]

 

Long premise complete, the codex could be used as a platform for future codexes that require multiple "similar, but unique" entries. A more comprehensive Eldar codex springs to mind.

 

6. Lack of the token Ordo Xenos since the removal of Deathwatch from SM codex. Overall there has been little for fans of the Ordo Xenos oustide Black Library novels. With big names associated to the Ordos (Kryptman, Solomon Lok, Gideon Ravenor, and Gregor Eisenhorn) there is a lot of potential now with this branch of the Inquisiton. Given the sheer number of Xenos armies, any reason to include the the Ordo Xenos makes sense.

 

7. Last but not least, MONEY! This is two-fold, please bear with me.

 

GW stated that the lack of the Storm Raven model from the BA launch was due to it "not being ready". A plausible story, and one I am inclined to believe. However, they know they are biting a serious bullet right now. Every week that passes without a model since April has people converting their own. While some have gone the 100% GW parts way (Valkyrie, Whirlwind, Landraider) not all players can afford the $100+ kit bash. I've seen Storm Ravens made from old G.I. Joe, AVATAR, and other MUCH cheaper options. GW knows that while the kit bash is recouping some losses, it won't last as cheaper alternatives will ALWAYS win out. Ask a SW about Thunderwolf models. The vitriol you here will be echoed by BA players if it goes too long.

 

So according to the BA codex, the Grey Knights also use the vehicle. Whoa! So two popular armies use the same vehicle... one of which is rumored to have a codex in the near future? If anything containing the Grey Knights is to come out this year it would be closer to the Blood Angels in order to maximize profit of cross-army vehicles. While I am inclined to believe the delay on the Storm Raven was accidental, I do not think that a Grey Knights/Inquisition codex was ever shuffled. Why?

 

Fantasy Flight Games announced the Death Watch RPG in late February 2010. The release date has been July/August of 2010 since the announcement. Current rumor places the Grey Knight/Inquisition codex around that time. Convenient? Hardly. Planned is much more logical. An Inquisition codex and new models launching about the same time as an Inquisition Space Marine RPG... Its breaks down to going to see the movie, buying the novelization, and buying the action figures. While many people don't play Space Marines and probably never will, they will buy a box of Deathwatch to customize into "their character" from the RPG.

 

This stuff writes itself, folks...

 

 

Prediction:

 

Codex covers Ordo Malleus, Ordo Xenos, and Ordro Hereticus and is written to make it a 1 stop shop for 4 separate armies.

 

Grey Knights will still be their own army, as they do operate autonomously at times from the Ordo Malleus. They will have a direct and powerful synergy when placed with Ordo Malleus Inquisitors.

Ordo Xenos will prominently feature Deathwatch Kill Teams, but will make use of ally rules to construct a broader support beyond warbands and stormtroopers. Wargear will play huge role.

Ordo Hereticus will have some tie-in to the Adepta Soroitas, but not to the end that the current WH codex is. The army will play as a hybrid of Malleus and Xenos

 

First Wave:

 

New plastic Grey Knights in Power Armor (with all the weapon bits to make Squad Alaric)

New Deathwatch Marines box (will contain options to customize per the RPG. Including heavy weapons, apothecary, techmarine, librarian, jump pack, and a Storm Wardens shoulder pauldron) [ass expensive too]

Storm Raven (will have shareable Inquisition parts for the Valkyrie)

1 named Inquisitor for each Ordos

 

 

That's my thoughts. Tell me I'm right, tell me I'm wrong. Just think this sounds logical

[DarkKnightCuron]

Prediction:

 

Codex covers Ordo Malleus, Ordo Xenos, and Ordro Hereticus and is written to make it a 1 stop shop for 4 separate armies.

 

Grey Knights will still be their own army, as they do operate autonomously at times from the Ordo Malleus. They will have a direct and powerful synergy when placed with Ordo Malleus Inquisitors.

Ordo Xenos will prominently feature Deathwatch Kill Teams, but will make use of ally rules to construct a broader support beyond warbands and stormtroopers. Wargear will play huge role.

Ordo Hereticus will have some tie-in to the Adepta Soroitas, but not to the end that the current WH codex is. The army will play as a hybrid of Malleus and Xenos

 

First Wave:

 

New plastic Grey Knights in Power Armor (with all the weapon bits to make Squad Alaric)

New Deathwatch Marines box (will contain options to customize per the RPG. Including heavy weapons, apothecary, techmarine, librarian, jump pack, and a Storm Wardens shoulder pauldron) [ass expensive too]

Storm Raven (will have shareable Inquisition parts for the Valkyrie)

1 named Inquisitor for each Ordos

 

 

That's my thoughts. Tell me I'm right, tell me I'm wrong. Just think this sounds logical

 

New Plastic Grey Knights in Power Armor: Likely to be $30 - 35 for a set of five, similar to the Death Company and Sanguinary Guard, but it largely depends on bits and options.

New Deathwatch Marines Box: Likely be closer to the $50 range, as the sheer amount of bits would justify its cost. I don't know. They'll likely reduce the number of bits to keep it in line with the Tactical Squad box, but suggest ways to convert for things like Apothecary and Techmarine. That's probably it: Leave out essential bits for that sort of thing so they can promote sales for the Space Marine command squad box and other specialist kits.

Storm Raven: My guess is going to be either similar or slightly more expensive than the Valkyrie.

We'll probably see a few models kept around, like the Inquisitor Lord box sets, as well as the Grey Knight Terminators.

[Vhalyar]

Stickmonkey is back in business.

 

First, I dont know when or if any codex will be out, And I dont know what will be in it. It's been nearly 5 mo since I saw any of the GK stuff and almost a year since some of the first items...

 

But, judging from the mockups we saw last year and early this, I'd be looking for PsyCannon options on most standard marine vehicles, plus on the SR.

 

We did see printed 3D model concepts for PA GK on jetbikes. The handwritten text on the prints we saw said "Scouts" The jetbikes looked very similar to Master of the Ravenwing, but without the belly plasma gun.

 

I'd personally also expect a generic librarian dread. With GK/BA/??? bits.

 

That's about all I can offer for rumors now. I know there are still some surprises in store for everyone when a codex does come out.

 

Not so much loose, as I haven't found any corroboration, we saw the 3D mockups, so I know that it went beyond the artistic mockups, but I also saw the 3D mockups for a few IG and Nid items that never saw light of day in the codex. For better or worse some things dont make the cut.

 

That said, the conversations about the JB seeemed to indicate it was very likely, so I truly hope it makes it.

 

As far as other rumors...

There was some artistic sketches of a GK tank that I've never seen before. It was similar to a LR, so could be just a variant, but had a vindicator looking cannon. The cannon barrel extended down one side of the tank internal body, unlike the vindicator where its just a stub of a barrel, this was longer fixed looking barrel. There was no Assault door on the front of the tank, but it did have the LR style door and sponson on the side. Sponson had Plasma cannon in it. I say it was GK as it had GK heraldry in the art, and a PAGK drawn next to it like a scale reference. I know there is a rumored similar DA siege LR in fluff and I think there was a Apoc datasheet for it.

There was also a speeder with an enclosed cockpit. Looked like a 1 man scout vehicle, style was similar to the FW Tempest, but the wings swept forward and were longer and cockpit was open style like the Valk, not the armored cockpit of the FW model. It was armed w/ what looked like TL punisher cannons...but they could have been assault cannons. The art made them look much more like the PC than AC. Size wise it was about the same as the normal landspeeder.

 

There was a Dread art with radically different flamer arm, could be a flamestorm arm. And a force weapon. The body of the dread was similar to standard dreads. force weapon looked like a oversized GK NFW halberd, but without the spike.

 

There was art of a GK chaplain with the skull mask in PA. Had a NFW rather than Crozius.

 

Art of Brother Captain Stern and retinue

 

Art of a GK Terminator Libby.

 

Art of a couple Justicars that could be named characters or just upgrade models.

 

And a nice piece with a host of GK battling what could only be the rumored Necron MC from descriptions given here by others.

One note is in none of the stuff we saw was there a single Jump pack. I think this falls in with the fluff of them using Teleportation in many more troops.

 

I'm pretty sure I'm mentioned much of this in passing here before though...though maybe not as publically. Regardless, I'm confident now I can pass it along. Take it for what it is, and remember no matter who says what it's rumor until we see the models.

 

The Land Raider he's talking about is the Ares, which is pretty neat.

[White Russian]

Not sure what this is but here just have a look, a buddy sent this to me:

 

http://img215.yfrog.com/img215/2924/gkinfosheet.png

 

Kinda sums up quite a bit of the rumors although some things make me doubt:

- And They Shall Know No Fear

- The way Squad's cost is listed is not uniform to the latest trends.

- "Grey Knights" special rule seems iffy, but may be something alike "Adeptus Sororitas" and incorporate "Fearless" etc.

- The way dedicated transport is listed.

- I am not quite sure why GK would need krak grenades, assuming NFW still grants S bonus as it is now.

 

Also this picture has been floating on the intrawebz for a long time now:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e263/wrimp/3993450MVC647F.jpg

 

Any thoughts?

WR

[Uncle Mel]

Those stickmonkeuy rumours are mighty awesome, thank god for no jumppacks and jay for jetbikes, wonder what the Ares variant is...

[Brother_Kaelgrim]

Its a landraider with a vindicator weapon.

[Oiad]

Not sure what this is but here just have a look, a buddy sent this to me:

 

...

 

Any thoughts?

WR

 

Yeah, these suppossed stats were posted on the Grey Knights forum a couple of days ago too. From the offset it looks encouraging but the eagle-eyed will notice that they have ATSKNF and an ungainly the huge point jump. If this is authentic (whick I highly doubt at the moment) then that would mean that GK's have lost the fearless rule. That doesn't look good for the GK specail rules slate.

 

However, no one can really deny the plastics. From this view they do them justice, very little seems changed. Awesome!

[White Russian]

Yeah, these suppossed stats were posted on the Grey Knights forum a couple of days ago too. From the offset it looks encouraging but the eagle-eyed will notice that they have ATSKNF and an ungainly the huge point jump. If this is authentic (whick I highly doubt at the moment) then that would mean that GK's have lost the fearless rule. That doesn't look good for the GK specail rules slate.

 

However, no one can really deny the plastics. From this view they do them justice, very little seems changed. Awesome!

 

I still think that "Grey Knights" special rule may incorporate other assets like it does now for us.

[Artein]

Those are not new plastics. Those are metal models painted with grey paint or something. This photo was floating here and there about a year ago.

[Bartłomiej]

I don't think that this is true because there is no point cost of Justicar. It would be awsome if Justicar could use some psychic powers.

One should be something like blinding light from the skull located on Justicar's helmet or the Grey Knights gathering their psychic power in their armours that would cause the aegis suits shining (every knight must have shining armour :D ) (Cover save 5+). And maybe something for the shooting phase.

[White Russian]

Those are not new plastics. Those are metal models painted with grey paint or something. This photo was floating here and there about a year ago.

The paint, if it is paint, looks too glossy imo for an undercoat, and I see no reason for someone painting them gray and finishing with gloss. The glue marks on knight's right foot looks more like it is a superglue, while the left one looks a bit more like cement.

 

 

I don't think that this is true because there is no point cost of Justicar. It would be awsome if Justicar could use some psychic powers.

One should be something like blinding light from the skull located on Justicar's helmet or the Grey Knights gathering their psychic power in their armours that would cause the aegis suits shining (every knight must have shining armour :D ) (Cover save 5+). And maybe something for the shooting phase.

Technically it does specify that squad has Justicar+4 as a minimum, so cost per model, while worded awkwardly, does make sense.

 

Not defending or trying to prove anything, just playing devil's advocate.