Busby Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 So... What I got from our new codex after I finally picked it up was that the new codex (to me) emphasizes the fact that this is an army built around its heroes. So what do I usually do? I usually try and bring about 2-4 heroes. What does this mean currently? Well. I love Logan Grimnar. I think he is a freakin' beast and he does wonders for my armies usually. I run Njal, because when would you ever see Busby not running Njal if he can afford it? And now? I'm running a third model that is 5 points cheaper than Njal while in Termie armor. Yes folks, I'm running a tooled up mounted Wolf Lord. Oh, don't think I'm not running Arjac. Unlike Njal whom I sometimes don't bring, I CAN'T bring Logan without also bringing Arjac. It just isn't possible. And don't think I don't have a retinue to protect all these people either. I don't generally have the points to stick Njal with a group of termies, so he usually sits with the shooty Grey Wolves. Logan and Arjac don't USUALLY play together (too many eggs in one basket, I say) but sometimes (like when I want a second squad of Grey Wolves instead of a couple more Wolf Guard) they have to be in the same squad... I know.. Overkill. The other wolf lord? Well, he has a 2+/3+ armor save to make it across the table (if someone wasn't cute enough to put models closer than 24 inches) and Saga of the Bear (or Warrior Born) for those times when someone with a strength 10 weapon shoots at him (I fight Tau on occasion). Basically, I'm ranting. I'm ranting because I love crazy expensive models (multiple ones, in fact) that can be a terror on the battlefield. It's an addiction, really. Before the new codex, I built army lists to win games. Now I build army lists to play with crazy expensive models (I swap out the wolf lord loadout and sometimes bring someone else instead of Njal, like 2 rune priests or a RP/WP combo with Skyclaws for the WP to go crazy with). /rant off PS: I love space wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderpup Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 You've inspired me Busby... Here's an expensive model list - HQ - Logan - 275pts Njal in Terminator Armor - 270pts Wolf Lord w/ TWM, TH, SS, Runic Armor, WTT, WTN, Melta Bombs, Saga of the Bear - 280pts - Troop - 3x Wolf Guard w/ 2x TDA, TH, CF, 2x SS, Arjac, LRR w/ MM, EA - 579pts 5x Wolf Guard w/ 5x TDA, 2x TH, 2x CF, 5x SS, CML - 330pts - Heavy - LR Redeemer w/ Multi Melta, EA - 265pts Total: 1999pts for 13 models. (That's just over 153pts a model average) :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/#findComment-2231137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Oh no no no. Thunder hammer on the Wolf Lord?! I need him to kill things first, THEN take whatever beating he might get. He has Wolf Claws. Here is my list to compare, since we're on the subject (it's almost exactly like yours, I might add): Logan: 275 Njal: Runic Termie Armor: 270 Wolf Lord: 270 - Runic Armor, Wolf Tail Talisman (two saves vs Psychic powers? Yes please) WTN: The times when I fight something with 6+ WS (it happens) TWM, Saga of the Bear, SS,WC,MB Troops 1: 713 5x Termies + Arjac 1x TH, SS 1xAC + PF 2x 2xWC 1x Joe Shmoe PW+SB Mounted in: LRR w/MM Troops 2: 285 (Foot Slogging, imposing angry creatures of death and distruction) 5xTermies 2x 2xWolf Claw 2x SS/TH 1x Assault Cannon Troops 3: 205 10x Grey Hunter 2x Melta Gun 1x Powerfist -Mounted in: Drop Pod This comes out to 2008 points. I'm 2 points shy for a 2010 point tourney coming up and if you make some minor adjustments, (like swapping out the second assault cannon guy) you'll see my 2k list. My other list is sans second termie squad and + another squad of Grey Hunters w/Plasma and a Razorback. A third list has me running almost the exact same but it's built around the 13th warrior idea and hast just 13 wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/#findComment-2231194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 i have the same problem. i had to limit myself to 1 special character per 1000 pts to have an effective army. but it means i have nice chunks of 1000 pt lists for every hq that i can combine to 2000 or more pt lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/#findComment-2231196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderpup Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 A third list has me running almost the exact same but it's built around the 13th warrior idea and hast just 13 wolves. I did one of these with Logan, Njal, Arjac + 9 TDA Wolf Guard split into 3 units, and Ragnar as the 13th Warrior. (Only one NOT in TDA.) lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/#findComment-2231201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 A third list has me running almost the exact same but it's built around the 13th warrior idea and hast just 13 wolves. I did one of these with Logan, Njal, Arjac + 9 TDA Wolf Guard split into 3 units, and Ragnar as the 13th Warrior. (Only one NOT in TDA.) lol Haha, Ragnar as the 13th warrior, very nice. I hadn't thought of that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/#findComment-2231219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordsloth Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Completely unusable in play (but surely that cant be the point! :D Comes to about roughly 1750 pts HQ Logan Grimnar Njal Ragnar Wolf Lord in TDA w 2 Wolf Claws TR Arjac + 4 wolf guard in TDA w Wolf Claw and SS 5 wolf guard w 4 combi melta w 1 TDA w heavy flamer in drop pod HVY Land Raider Crusader with Extra Armour The concept being "How much pain can you charge out of a land raider (provided it gets there ... which admittedly it wont but that shouldnt spoil the fun!)" (More is certainly possible, the 4 wolf guard in tda could become 8 wolf guard in power armour for example, and dual claw instead of claw/shield) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/#findComment-2231258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 You're right, my fetish has nothing to do with how usable or unusable something is. My issue is the fact that I love the huge characters (and the ones I can make in addition) that are provided for the Space Wolves. And... Seeing that group coming at you is just saddening. 4 WG with Combi Meltas and 1 with a flamer jumping out of a drop pod? Reminds me of last edition with my old termie force that would just walk around with the runepriest and wolf priest killing everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188557-why-do-i-do-this-to-myself-lots-of-hqs/#findComment-2231307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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