Walter Payton Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I have been planning for a while to start a Loyalist World Eaters army for the 41st Millennium. However, I have been at a bit of a loss as to which Codex to use. I have narrowed it down to: Codex CSM (but change the names in my mind, and come up with justifying fluff), Codex Black Templars, Codex Space Wolves, and possibly Codex Blood Angels, though I haven't seen it yet. Which Codex do you think represents the tactics and attitude of the World Eaters? Your Thoughts, Brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Which Codex do you think represents the tactics and attitude of the World Eaters?Space Wolves imho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar02 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Blood Angels most definetly! Blood Angels just beat up everything in sight, very World Eater like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Which Codex do you think represents the tactics and attitude of the World Eaters?Space Wolves imho. Couple modifications to make it World Eater, make the Blood Claws more expensive, as well as increasing their stats to a normal Grey Hunter. With plus one strength and attack, but add on...say, 20 to 30 points, as well as not allowing certain units to be bought (thunderwolves and special characters come to mind). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Another thing guys-fluff wise, do the World Eaters like librarians? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 i would say BA actually. but i expect most people to say the Wolves. they are still shiny. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guerra Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Chapter Aproved had a Death Company army list. That would be ideal. As it is, failing that I'd suggest Blood Angels. As for librarians, no. The World Eaters despised them even before the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Codex Chaos or Black Templars: Rules for Hatred of everything, especially Psykers/Librarians which World Eaters have always hated. Murderous in CC as an army, not just specific units. Neophytes could be explained away or not taken, but honestly I could see the World Eaters doing "on-the-job" training of future Marines like the Black Templar. With Chaos just avoid the Chaotic stuff such as the marks, favored troops, daemon weapons etc and you have a good baseline for a Pre-heresy force; including equipment. You can even keep the Berzerkers and use them as your main-line assault units or the like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Nothing is quite right, IMO. If BT had something like the Death Company, that would get a thumbs up from me. SW are a bit too poised, IMO. But if you were reckless with them, they could work too. Here is a link, by our very own Pacific; EATERS OF WORLDS. He uses Blood Angels. WE had Librarians. I would rank Librarian love into 4 levels; Love - Thousand Sons "Normal" - UM, Salamanders, WS, SW, LW, BA, DA, NL, WB, EC, IW, AL ~ maybe some of these are also in the dislike section. Dislike - World Eaters Hatred - IF, RG, DG Either way, Good luck :sick: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2231977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Hatred - IF, RG, DG Either way, Good luck :) Um, just because black templars don't like witches doesn't mean rogal dorn and the rest of his marines (excepting templaars of course) don't... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2232102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Hatred - IF, RG, DG Either way, Good luck :) Um, just because black templars don't like witches doesn't mean rogal dorn and the rest of his marines (excepting templaars of course) don't... You are right. But in the HH books, it is made clear that Rogal Dorn doesn't like psykers. FotE pg 354. Dorn is angry that a Witch is aboard Phalanx, after the Emperors decree at Nikea. By Codex:Astartes time, I assume something has happened because Librarians are amongst IF armies in 40K. :) Abhor the Witch, Destroy the Witch. ;) ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2232137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Hm, I would suggest Space Wolves or BA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2235178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 Thanks for the input guys. I already have C:SW, so I will probably use that for now, and try to find the Death Company Army List. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2235308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I'd try and make your force as generic as possible for now.. the new BA codex will no doubt make another step forward when its released, and I'm hoping more content in terms of options which will translate to PH World Eaters. In essence, I think you should try and make the codex work for the army, rather than the other way around - if that makes any sense! Presumably you're making a PH force at least in part because of the unique modelling and conversion options it presents, not because you want to pwn with whatever happens to be the most powerful codex at the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2236361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share Posted January 6, 2010 Well, I will certainly be taking Blood Claws, but no Thunderwolves, Crusaders, Redeemers, Rune Priests or any other specifically Fenrisian unit. I will use Codex BA when it comes out though. I was thinking of a PH force long before SW came out, thanks. I think Blood Claws fits the WE bill quite well. The only special character rules that I would consider using would be Ragnar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2236619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Shadow Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 In my opinion, currently SW is best, but it's a good idea to wait and see what the BA codex is like. As for librarians, no. The World Eaters despised them even before the Heresy. They may not have liked them, but they had them, I remember reading a piece of fluff where it said the World Eaters hunted down and killed/sacrificed all of their Librarians to show Khorne their devotion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2236647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share Posted January 6, 2010 Rune Priests are ridiculously overpowered anyway, so I won't bother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2236695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 A World Eater librarian might be an interesting conversion project actually: Some brutal looking mk3 armour with a few totems and what-not hanging from his armour, find a head with a suitably troubled looking expression, and paint a nicely pale looking palour... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2237191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sandbot Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 In all honesty I'm either with the black templar or the regular marine dex. It may not trump the SW dex, but the SM dex has the option for jump packless ASM which gives you a free rhino and your scouts can be outfitted to be CC oriented. I wouldn't think a captain would be that bad of a choice either for world eaters. Just another option to consider anyway. Where in the fluff is it mentioned that Corax hates psykers? I've seen people reference it but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2249717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 i strongly advise against the use of the space wolves codex actually sure, bloodclaws are pretty hard on the charge but how do you explain their statline? a world eater having the same skills as a mere guardman? sure a madmen gladiator would have better skills? when building a world eater army i'd say WS4 would be the minimum. the same aplies to both swift and skyclaws which imo (especially the skyclaws) seem very important units for a world eater legion. in false god you even have angron leading his assault marines into the breech. imo the chaos dex or the bloodangels are the way to go for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2250091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 I have already said, SW is a stand in-BA are incoming next year. SW are a stand in because they are new, and therefore are probably the easiest to use with the new rules, and are also probably the best playtested Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2250174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Kenaz Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I know this sounds crazy, and it might NOT be for you, or everyone else you play with, but I am building a squad of PH Loyalist WEs and am going to use the MOVIE MARINES list from White Dwarf 300. This way they'll be real monsters, just as marines are always depicted PH, compared to afterwards... Some huge problems, it'd be a 'joke' just for fun force, as; you're probably looking to build more than just 8 - 10 models, all of your opponenets would have to be say YES to letting you use such an unbalanced list! SW codex would be fun... BA according to the fluff would be closer.... As for libbys....back then purity seals did not exist, BUT WEs wore 'oath papers' on their armor... Whatever you create, as long as it deals with slaughtering the enemy and giving skulls to the skull god..ahem...I mean emperor. Have fun! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2250243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 As Capt. Kenaz has said, I think the BA list would be easier, but as the BA are going to have a new codex released soon, it is smart of you to use the SW codex. However, I am not sure if the Blood Claws are really suitable for the WE normal troopers: I see the WEs as a more hardened, veteran force, which incorporates blood-thirsty killers, not young pups :P. Creating a splinter force of the WEs are interesting, and I wish you good luck. As far as I know, the only loyal World Eaters were slaughtered on Istvaan, but it would be interesting if any others weren't part of the fleet. On what scale is the army to be on? A company? Grand company? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188615-loyalist-world-eaters/#findComment-2251749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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