Allies for Black Templars

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Greetings to my Ordos Inquistion brothers and sisters.

 

I have started a BT army. I am interested in using Daemon hunters & Witch hunters stuff in my army.

I can see the anti-psyker stuff alone would be useful against the incoming Tyranids.

What have you used that you would recommend?

 

*Remember the allies restrictions and that BT cannot take anyone using psychic powers - except for Grey Knights.

 

Thank you for your help.

[wizard12]

Ok, for anti-phyker you want witch hunters. The sisters of battle ignore physic attacks on a 4+ where as grey knights ignore them by adding d6 to the GK's leadership and adding D6 to the casters Ld and seeing whos higher. The person with the highest wins.

 

Witch hunter inquisitors though are more CC based so you might not want to take them even though it gives you acesse to loads of anti-phyker weaponary.

 

one weapon in the WH armoury thats great against phykers and tyranids is the comb-stake crossbow. Apart from the awsome name it wounds phykers (and tyranids to some extent) on a 2+

 

But if someone is goind to nidzilla you then there is only one way to go.

 

Grand master

phycannon

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9 terminator retinue (make sure to convert a few TH/SS terminators)

2 phycannons

 

this gives you 3 phycannons and a "kills outright force weapon on top of Ws5, S6 terminators. Even though it'll take up 664 points.

[KhorneHunter57x]

I have used a cheap Elite Daemonhunter =][= attached to a BT unit to protect them against psychic powers.

 

I use one with:

Null Rod

Psychic Hood

Bolt Pistol

 

You could also go with a WH =][= for combi-staking goodness, but if you want to take an Assassin you need to take the HQ =][=, which must have a retinue.

 

Remember that the Psychic Hoods avaliable to the Emperor's Holy Ordos have unlimited range, unlike the C: SM versions.

[Grand Master Caloth]

Negative my friend. For Assassins you only an Inquisitor, ANY inquisitor.

[Brother_Fatiswon]

I have used a cheap Elite Daemonhunter =][= attached to a BT unit to protect them against psychic powers.

 

I use one with:

Null Rod

Psychic Hood

Bolt Pistol

 

You could also go with a WH =][= for combi-staking goodness, but if you want to take an Assassin you need to take the HQ =][=, which must have a retinue.

 

Remember that the Psychic Hoods avaliable to the Emperor's Holy Ordos have unlimited range, unlike the C: SM versions.

 

I agree with this, but like a little more control, so i would use 1 Inquistor lord w/hood and ug of wards and "Word of Emp" and then i'd take the Proxy of that, with an elite inquistor with the same wargrear and powers, and attact each to seprate Crusader Squards, (20 strong) and Disco. ur at the party wearing your Psychic Jim hat.

you get two shots as knocking down any Psych attach and if you already used the hood, once, the Ug of Wards will still give you some shielding vs Muti lashes or what have you. and i mean, really how can you pass on Power that PREVENTS being Assualted??

[Validar]

Negative my friend. For Assassins you only an Inquisitor, ANY inquisitor.

 

I think he was trying to say, when you bring the Inquisition as allies, you only have 1 HQ and 1 elite slot available. Because of this the only way to get an assassin fitted into your army is to take an Inquisitor HQ and an assassin as elite.

[Artein]

Inquisitors are psykers, so no Inq for BT.

 

From WH FAQ:

Q. Are Inquisitors and Inquisitor Lords counted

as psykers if they don’t take any psychic powers?

A. Yes, as they have the Psyker special rule.

[Grand Master Caloth]

Negative my friend. For Assassins you only an Inquisitor, ANY inquisitor.

 

I think he was trying to say, when you bring the Inquisition as allies, you only have 1 HQ and 1 elite slot available. Because of this the only way to get an assassin fitted into your army is to take an Inquisitor HQ and an assassin as elite.

 

 

Touche, Brother. lol My mind mustve been elsewhere. Very true.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Inquisitors are psykers, so no Inq for BT.

 

From WH FAQ:

Q. Are Inquisitors and Inquisitor Lords counted

as psykers if they don’t take any psychic powers?

A. Yes, as they have the Psyker special rule.

 

I have not seen the WH FAQ but....

 

C:BT says "No model with psychic powers may be fielded as an ally to the BT,.... with the exception of Grey Knights"

 

So the Inquisitor may be a psyker, but if he doesn't have a power then he is fine.

[Grand Master Caloth]

Actually, if you think about it... adding an Inq would be the ONLY way to get psychic powers into the list. If GK are allowed in BT, then while it may be unfluffy or rather very near intolerable for the BT, the Inq or Grandmaster would be able to take psychic skills. just as I said, the BT would NOT like it, and the Champion may try to duel the GM after the current foe is felled. lol

[Charred Heretic]

I think that BT is the only Marine "Flavor" (other than Vanilla) that can ally with WH/DH.

 

Inquisitor Psychic powers are laughable compared to a Librarian.

For that matter, most Inquisitorial choices are not very competitive.

 

(Of course a clever, innovative, experienced, enthusiastic player can make nearly anything work if he really applies himself).

 

There are a couple of interesting/oddball pieces of wargear that might give you an entertaining card to play in a big (1850+) game. For example, I've always wanted to try 3x Mancatchers in a WH Inq squad. (DH can't have them). You could also look into DaemonHosts, but they are not competitive, but they are freaky/fun.

 

The Inferno Pistol is a useful tool that a WH inq can take.

It's almost like a Melta-Pistol, but it's AP2 not AP1.

 

Probably the most common/most useful loadout that a BT might benefit from WH/DH is an Inq+Retinue with 3x Heavy Bolters.

 

Also a simple 5-man IST squad in a Rhino with 2xMelta is cheap scoring unit who can threaten enemy armor in a 20" radius.

(12" move + 2" deploy + 6" 2D6 Melta range).

 

A squad of Seraphim could add some needed speed and mobility to a BT army, but they are expensive, and difficult to use effectively, owing to their high cost. But it is definitely possible to

 

A 14-model picket-line of sisters could potentially add some economic, static, resilient small-arms firepower to a BT army, but BTs already have bolters, so it's not a particularly special option.

 

Other than those, there's no obvious choices from WH/DH (that I can think of) that can do anything for a BT parent that a BT parent can't already do for itself.

 

I'm not saying don't do it.

YOu can have a lot of fun mixing things up, but you're not likely to see much of a benefit. You really need to get to know the gamepieces from WH/DH. They're old and therefore not as competitive. It will be a challenge, but to too bad.