Brother Loring Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Hey guys, I'm not sure if you're aware, but the Librarium will be hosting a new Painting Challenge. I'm not sure if one of the Mods is going to post a notice but you know about it now anyway. As the Golden Bolter is way out of my reach, I need something else to spur me on and develop/push my painting on. As a few of you may know from some of my other threads, I'm in the midst of painting some sword brethren - yes it's taking a long time, which is why I need the push. Anyway, as BT are the only army I collect, I'm getting a little bored of painting the standard black highlighted to grey (it may be heresy to say such a thing). I want to get something right before I submit to the competition and represent BTs - I hope many more of you will join me in this! Anyway, here is the black highlighted through a more purplish colour (I've actually used scorched brown and talarn flesh). I think it looks okay, but I have two concerns... 1) Is it 'black' enough or does the colour lose the black from Black Templars? 2) Does it clash with the red shoulder pad too much? ... anyway here are the pics. Any opinion is greatly appreciated, newbie or oldie (if that is politically correct)! Thanks in advance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKeeM Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Not black enough, looks almost Blood Angel like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurasuke Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I think it looks black enough in the last picture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I don't think it's really black per se, but it looks as though it's really ancient armor that once was black. It's like a rust color without actually looking rusty, or almost an oil rubbed bronze look. I like it though, I think they would all look cool but not sure if that's the look you are going for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDunc Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I like what you're trying to do and it looks good! But I don't think it's black enough. An approach like that would be great to represent Artificer Armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emporers champion2 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 that looks almost red but it is still a really cool approach. off topic but , that sb looks just like Jamie Hyneman Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoppio Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 don't looks black on any picture, just some kind of burnt red... try a burnt grey, start with a black primer then go on a light grey and then go layering darker and darker till you have your black (yeah, kinda strange but works) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Looks like a deep crimson to me - perhaps you've got too much color saturation in there? Or that your purple is tinged a bit red, rather than a neutral mix of blue and red tones? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depayen Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I don't have a suggestion to mix with the black. I would consider something else that isn't so close relation to the red color pallete if your trying to get close to black but not clash with the red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtySixNights Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Honestly, that looks nothing like black, it looks like a dark red colour. my suggestion if you are really that sick of painting black, is to do a reverse sword brethern model, so red armour with black trim on the shoulder pads. or a reverse regular templar with white armour and black pads. or you could do a prehersey squad, painting them IF colours with black templar pads. be creative :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chaplain Ryld Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I quite like it, and may pinch the idea for my SB. And if you are getting bored/tired of painting black, and this works for you, then there is nothing wrong with it. So to answer your questions, definitely black enough. And I don't think it clashes with the shoulder pad, you've kept the red quite sharp and the armour is blackened enough I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messanger of Death Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 It needs a wash or two of black. It is too bright at the moment (especially the right arm). It is a great idea and could say that each of your Sword Brethren paints his armour with a tint of red to represent the blood of their fallen brothers or some other blood symbolism. The red tint can not however represent aged armour as that would be an insult to the machine spirit... after each battle the armour needs to be maintained either by the Marine or the Techmarine. Messanger Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Russy Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Not black enough, looks almost Blood Angel like. That pretty much took the words outta my mouth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2233978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Loring Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 First of all, thanks very much for all of the responses! There is some great advice - cheers! I am a little surprised about the Blood Angels comments, but that is the importance of getting other peoples' opinions. The pictures are pretty true to the colour on the model, so they are very valid. @ Kurasuke - Unfortunately the black on the shoulder pad hasn't recieved any 'bronzing' or perhaps I should say Blood Angelsing @ Acebaur & BigDunc - Well I was sort of going for a mix of your ideas. Say a bronze-like set of ornate (artificer) armour that has been blackened (oiled/lacquered). I wanted it to look black, but have the bronze showing through from the reflections. Unfortunately the scorched brown and tallarn flesh (I'm not sure why I chose those 2) turned out to be a bit too purple. @ Emperors champion 2 - I'm thinking of green stuffing a beret, what do you think? @ Scoppio - As I said, grey is the way I normally go, was looking to do something different. This is the first BT I've done with a white primer, and you know what, I'm probably not going to go back to black primer for the majority of my models. I'll probably use it for massed troops (which I'll probably end up air brushing anyway), but for anything special, it's going to be white all the way! @ Sovereign - yeah, unfortunately my coats have been more like washes that glazes. I'm gonna have to try to water things down a bit and reduce the saturation. @ Depayen - yeah, I was worried about the purple clashing with the red. @ ThirtySixNights - Thanks for the suggestions, but my concern is that it wouldn't look right with the rest of my force. Although I'm trying something a bit different I would say I'm very much a traditionalist. @ Ryld - Thanks very much! I do like it, but I'm not totally convinced. I think I'm going to add a bit more brown, and some grey to take it a bit more to a normal black, but keep something different. @ Messanger - Don't worry I would never upset the Machine Spirit. It isn't supposed to be aged/rusted, more oiled ornate/bronze armour. Just for an idea of what I originally set-out to do, it was supposed to be something like this. Although this isn't completely what I had in mind as it doesn't have a lot of reflection. http://www.anneathomeknobs.com/733BlackCopper.jpg Unfortunately it turned out a little purple rather than bronze. Wanted to get some others opinions before I set off in a different direction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2234052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messanger of Death Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I really like that look in the picture. I think if you want to get the reddish hue of bronze you might want to use some light browns like Vomit Brown or even go as far as Elf Flesh. Mix it with some red and black and experiment. If you use washes of red and black it will help to blend it nicely. The only other thing I can suggest is making the red aspect of the armour more of a highlight. Guess I'm trying to say is that the armour doesn't have enough black to suggest that it actually is black. Start with a darker red and then work your way up so that it looks more like the left knee pad rather than the right arm. The other option is to use controlled layers of black wash to darken the armour. Messanger Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2234062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoppio Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I like to go with different schemes on my marines, I have this padron on then: - White Trims. - Dwarf flesh eagle chest with 2 layers of brown ink. - Black armour (I go with the black primer... im TOOOOOOOO lazy to paint it from white to black or grey to black, really). - Left lower leg Bleached Bone. - Helmet face Bleached Bone. - Eye lids yellow/green/red/blue/white. - Bleached bone details on back pack. - Crusader badge on right leg. - Squad number on left knee. - Veteran award on right knee. - Fortress grey dry brush. - Big T over an O as the sign of the chapter on the left shoulder. (Templars of Hate) When Im full of painting the same scheme I start painting the shoulders in bleached bone, flames in the armour, I paint bones on the armour, I paint it all black or more parts bleached bone... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2234225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac_Atk Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 @Loring - I like the picture and agree with your tiredness of painting all black. If you'd like something like shown in the picture, wash with red/scab red and then some serious dry brushing for your blacks. Scab red is what I use for my primary red color then 50/50 scab/blood, blood for the final highlight. I did a squad of quartered templar, black and white, for my assault squad that I'm quite pleased with, however I don't think this is what a sword brethern would honor his service. Your intended idea is a bit better. I'll have to get a better pic of these guys loaded as this one is a bit heavy on the camera flash... http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...3919_229230.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2234401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtySixNights Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 something which i have been yearning to try on my marines is viva metallica. http://metcalfedan.webs.com/ you may want to try this Loring, it's a different approach to highlighting and is really simple. also i suggest using 50/50 tin bitz blazing orange for your bronze colour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2234765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Loring Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share Posted January 9, 2010 Well I've sought some advice and I think it's helped no end! Here is the result. I think people will still think it's too light, but it's much closer to what I was going for. I think it has some nice oranges/yellows/reds around the highlight. And a close-up - I didn't realise it was so messy even looking close-up with the naked eye... I've also had another go with the non-black-black recipe that was recommended. I definitely need to work on it, and hopefully it'll give more of a conventional black than the one above. Once again, thanks guys! Any comments are welcome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2241074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberame Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 what is your current NBB recipe? I just use charadon granite and hit it with a black wash or a devlan mud wash to darken it to an almost black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2241487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugrush Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I really like the bronzed armour idea, doesn't really ring black templar atm, but that might be because of lack of color on the rest of the model. I think it indeed is a fair argument that sword brethren is wearing a sort of light version of artificer armour. That's what comes to my mind when seeing the bronzed/yellowish armour :) In the end it is just about what you're saticefied with, personally I got templars with a light drybrush of codex grey to represent worn armour. Keep up the great work, I bet you're going to draw som attention with an army with that color scheme! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2241589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Loring Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 Thanks guys! I do want to point-out again, this is not 'my' recipe for non-black-black, it is one I was recommended! Anyway it involves medium grey/purple, dark olive green, dark blue, dark brown. Although a bit of black is used to achieve the 'dark' in the dark blue and brown, non-black-black denotes no black actually being directly applied to achieve the final colour. My NBB still needs a lot of black This black was achieved in a similar manner - link - it shows how much work mine needs - the greens/purples/blues can only just be seen, unlike mine! @Ugrush - I don't think I would be able to do a complete army like this, although I'm getting bit faster with this sort of technique, it does take a lot of patience. I'm just aiming to complete my 5 metal Sword Brethren in posh armour. They'll then accompany my other sword brethren/HQ unit mock-up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188764-a-different-shade-of-black/#findComment-2241710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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