Brother Argent Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Well I mentioned it in my IA for my latest Chapter so I'd thought explain it further here. I'd like to propose a challenge for all the DIYers here on the B&C. A way, perhaps, to help people develop their Chapters in all aspects of the game. The challenge would be as follows: All participants take a Chapter that has not yet reached Librarium status, be it a Chapter that is bouncing around here on the Liber or bouncing around in your head. The participant then has till the end of the year to develop: - A Librarium quality and submitted IA for their Chapter. - A painted and based army of Apocolypse size of their Chapter (3000pts) - 2 homegrown or counts as Characters from their Chapter - A polished short story (2000-3000 words minimum) around the epic deeds of their Chapter. - A single battle report detailing the triumphant victory or crushing defeat of their Chapter. This will of course be supported by others competing in the Challenge. The idea is by the end of 2010 the participants will have a full army painted, back grounded and reported on, as well as two uniqure characters for their Chapter for some fun. So does anyone have any ideas on home to improve this challenge or would anyone here think they would participate. Oh and there would be ranking, signatures of shame and possibly prizes at the end. So what do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 It's a good idea, but my only issue is with the second point: That it would be easier and cheaper for some of the participants who have larger SM armies, whereas those members who have smaller armies may find 3000pts a bit difficult. So I suggest either dropping the points down to something like 1000 or 1500pts or just take that out completely, especially when considered this is a predominantly fluff section of the board and I know some of the members who post here don't really model that much if at all, which will also make the last point about a posted battle report difficult as well. EDIT: And don't forget your DIY Project entry SP :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon de Gravier Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 It's a good idea but I agree with FERRUS MANUS that you should leave out the battle report and scale the points down. I myself have never moddelled an army bigger than 1600pts (and that was a DARK ELF army for WFB) and will probably never make a Space Marine army larger than 1200pts. As for the rest of it I like the idea and would gladly do this with my DIY chapter THE CHAMPIONS. That's me signed on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubernator Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Question: Would it matter if it's something you've already started? Since my Phantoms have a story, army in progress and a nearly complete IA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endova Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I'd be willing to participate, so long as I can use the IA I've already started, and add to the 2000 points I've already collected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte of Slaanesh Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I think this is a fantastic idea! I do agree about lowering the points though, maybe down to 1500-2000. But I know I've been bouncing around a DIY chapter in my head and this would definitely be the motivation I'd need to get crackin' on them. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I think it is a good idea and has merit, although I would agree with a couple of previous points. What I would suggest is the following; A single aim (a completed article at Librarium quality ready for submittion) but over a shorter period of time (say 4 months). Then if you wish to continue you can say a story in the next two months etc. With this, we could easily run a spring chapter and an autumn chapter and give people two months in summer and winter each off. In a year, you could get two good chapters. The question would be the path that we walk to get there... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon de Gravier Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Ferrata is right. A smaller aim over a smaller period will stop people freaking out about the amount of work they have to do and maybe we could have a signature trophy for every section we complete and an extra trophy for the best made IA/best painted force/best written story etc. Just some food for thought but I'm with you every secound of the way... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlmb_123 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I quite like the 'all-in' approach, but, as stated, the points cost needs to be scaled down. What's the use in 3000 (£400+) collection of models if the individual doesn't get much chance to use them? Perhaps making it smaller than has been suggested by other posters - 750-1000 points - would be a better incentive again? The story idea is nice, though, it'll really push people to inject some character into their characters, if you will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Going along with Ferrata's suggestion, surely we could turn this into an extended Iron Man MkII Comp? Possibly turning it into an annual thing, with a different theme each year? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I think a 3000pt list is very doable. Of course, I would be using the Movie Marines rules. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon de Gravier Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Going along with Ferrata's suggestion, surely we could turn this into an extended Iron Man MkII Comp? Possibly turning it into an annual thing, with a different theme each year? Iron Man? and yeh your right a theme would be cool and with a Chapter a year we could have like 8+ chapters in only 1-2 years. We could make a thread and then each paticipant could post what he'd/she'd done every week (a bit like a blog...). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 - A Librarium quality and submitted IA for their Chapter.- A painted and based army of Apocolypse size of their Chapter (3000pts) - 2 homegrown or counts as Characters from their Chapter - A polished short story (2000-3000 words minimum) around the epic deeds of their Chapter. - A single battle report detailing the triumphant victory or crushing defeat of their Chapter. For the first, I am unaware of what an IA is. Please let me know what this is. 2, I would agree with the scaling down of the points, is having it at all. I make my models very much like each and every one of them is some bad-a dude w/ ilegal upgrades, since I never play games this isn't a problem. I cannot use a prexisting army then, and I do not have the materials to make a new one. I also see some people making some very expensive units and callling it however many points, although that is true the force probably wouldn't be competitive on the board therefore it would be unfair to those who wish to make it competitive on the board as well as here, because they have to make less models. 3 is a really good idea, it allows people to make a true representation of themselves on the battlefeild, which is what the HQs were always intended to be. 4 is also a great idea, it inspires peoples creativity. The only thing is I would allow them to make a story of a crushing defeat instead, as it would add flavor to the chapter. It wold be up to them which they wanted to do of course. 5 is also rather limiting, like I have mentioned before I don't play games because I don't get the chance, therefore I can't compete. I am sure I am not the only one, if you could drop that it would allow people who can't play games to compete. This is a really cool idea, I look forward to seeing what people come up with. The only problems are the ones listed above, but a few minor changes and it should be viable for everyone to join. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Iron Man? Original Topic For the first, I am unaware of what an IA is. Please let me know what this is. IA stands for Index Astartes, check out the Librarium here for examples written by fellow Fraters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Hmm, intriguing. :D It has to be said, I presently have neither the money or time (or, for that matter, the talent) to compete in the modelling/gaming side of this challenge. That would make the building an army section or the battle report... difficult. Would it be possible for an entrant to compete only in the story-driven parts of this contest? (IA, characters & story) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Hmm, intriguing. :) It has to be said, I presently have neither the money or time (or, for that matter, the talent) to compete in the modelling/gaming side of this challenge. That would make the building an army section or the battle report... difficult. Would it be possible for an entrant to compete only in the story-driven parts of this contest? (IA, characters & story) I am interested in the story side, but no the modeling and gaming side. Like Ace Debonair I neither have the time or the talent. I am a horrid painter and I don't have a camera. If you would cut into two categories that would be better. And would I be able to write up an entirely new one, since my Sons of Redemption one is coming closer and closer to completion giving me an unfair advantage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 The Librarium does a regular painting challenge wherein people set goals for themselves and have to meet them by a certain date - there's no reason not to do a fluff challenge as well. A repeat of the previous Iron Man challenge would be most excellent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Rather liking the sound of the story-side of this plan... Instead of building and painting 3,000 points worth I'd much prefer having to build and paint the homegrown/count as characters! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Admiral Thrawn Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I think something more akin to the Iron Man challenge would be the best approach to a fluff competition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 SO let me get this straight, we have to make a new chapter and new models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 It would seem more likely that you have to continue one that is not yet finished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 SO let me get this straight, we have to make a new chapter and new models? We have to wait for Silver Phoenix to get back on, he may change some things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2234843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Argent Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 Aaaannnddd here I am! :P Wow, that kinda balooned. Well here is my listening to peoples comments and revising my idea. Be advised the idea was a spur of the moment thing at 11.30 at night but, as it has seemed to take off am loving it. Anyway, onto the ammended suggestion of rules: Each participant may take a new or under development Chapter that has not yet reached Librarium status. This may be a Chapter that you have already written an IA for, such as me, but are still in the development stage or a completely new one if you want. They can then compete in a range of challenges strung out over a period of time, with each part of the challenge having a rough time limit and points being awarded to each participant for each challenge (much as the Iron Man contests were run). The challenges would be: - Paint a 1000pts or more army for your Chapter. The criteria for points with this challenge would be: Points value of force, creativity of models, whether the models capture the charecter of the army etc. - Complete to Librarium status a full IA on your Chapter (Judged by such things as quality of IA, how much you helped others in the Challenge develop their Chapters etc) - Create TWO Special Charecters or Counts-As Charecters, both in rules and fluff. (Criteria: balance of character, character of character, if have modelled character. etc) - Write a piece of fiction (2000 words +) based around the chapter (Criteria: Quality of piece, character of Chapter in piece etc.) - Bonus Points for: A Battle Report on the Chapters actions (Criteria: Quality of Report? Meh?) Participants may choose to compete in any or all of the Challenges with each Challenge having three placings and then there being an overall ranking of all the participants with possible prizes for the top three. Those whom commit to the Challenges but do not complete the required challenge in the alloted time bare a signature of shame. Entries are judged by board members votes, each person voting in their first, second and third preference. Perhaps each challenge has a Mods choice, made by the mods of the approriate Forum. All things depending It may be a series of Challenges to time limits or it might be all in one go. Both Loyalists and Traitors are welcome and if people are really keen they can enter as many Chapters as they like. Of course they have to complete any challenges they enter and points are given to individual Chapters, not their owners. Eg. I enter the Star Wardens and the Leopards Argent. The Wardens get points for having a good character but the Leopards get points for being well painted (hah!). These points go to the Chapter that one them, not a combined total. Anyway, long post over, what do people think of these modified rules? EDIT: And their would most likely be a Fluff Miester Award, for the person whom did the best in the Fluff Catagories, the Liber being a Fluff based Forum, of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2235079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Eg. I enter the Star Wardens and the Leopards Argent. The Wardens get points for having a good character but the Wardens get points for being well painted (hah!). These points go to the Chapter that one them, not a combined total. Anyway, long post over, what do people think of these modified rules? EDIT: And their would most likely be a Fluff Miester Award, for the person whom did the best in the Fluff Catagories, the Liber being a Fluff based Forum, of course. You metioned your Star Wardens twice there. Should one of them be the Leopards Argent? :P It sounds interesting. As it happens I had another idea for a chapter bouncing around in my head, so I might enter them. We'll have to see how things play out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2235115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon de Gravier Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 'like what you've done with the place!' The only problem would be the rules of the HQ options. I don't actually play 40k (I don't even have a codex or the rule book (although I do have fantasy meh!)), bieng more of a modeller at heart, but would love to create the fluff and model parts. Other than that this sounds like an amazingly fun challenge. ;) :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188800-diy-challenge/#findComment-2235145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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