WolfScoutHolger Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 So after reading the entry on having no 2 models with the same saga, I'm still unsure as to whether I have Bjorn and Njal in the same list. My search-fu has failed me altogether. I apologize for my impertinence fellow wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 exception to this rule are special characters. it's actually quite clearly written in the dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Also, you can give all your Venerable Dreadnoughts the saga of majesty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 yep, cause their not characters :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Why arent they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 They are just an elites vehicle/walker choice, nothing more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Not IC, but a walker. That my guess anyway. ++EDIT+++ nurglespuss, you beat me to it :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 he he he :) the ficklery of the tinterweb! :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Ive been playing it safe and onl taking one saga of majestiy on a ven dread and no where else in the army as Dreads are characters, they are heroes of the chapter and rare. It seems strange to me that they made a song and dance of putting a rule in limiting the use of sagas and yet apparantly you can have 1 generic HQ with SOM and then 3 other units with SOM... they may aswell have not put a limit on if that is true... just my opinion, and Im not going to double up on it as i feel its wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Oh yes, your quite right Stinky :) its out of character to take it more than once (why anyone would want to I'm not sure), but the rules allow it (though I don't advocate its use). In fact, though I'm loving the current spacewolf codex, I find my self struggling to fit sagas in! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 thats just it though, Im not sure the rules do allow it. There is nothing mentioning that characters have to be HQs, even individual lone wolves can be classed as characters especially in a themed army. I have a lot of background to my forces and as far as I am concerned, my wolf guard are characters, as are my dreads and HQ choices. It all depends on the way you look at it really. To me you shouldn't do it, but I wouldn't complain much if people did it against me as there is plenty of wiggle room... It is probably one of the more useful sagas in all honesty, it helps to keep your units in line especially if you have limited wolf guard to lead them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Also, sagas and wargear, unless I'm reading it wrong, is the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonwolf Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Alright, since Skirax mentioned wargear, I've been a little confused on the limitations that we are supposed to have. What exactly counts as "identical" wargear? For example, if I have a Rune Priest in Runic Armor with a Plasma Pistol and then a Wolf Priest in Runic Armor with a Plasma Pistol is that "identical" or not since they both have other pieces of wargear that are different (Runic Blade/Crozius)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Runic Weapons and Crozius are different, so youd not be in violation. Identical means just that- exactly the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2236798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Also, sagas and wargear, unless I'm reading it wrong, is the rule. Page 81 reads "...no two characters may bear the same saga, nor may they bear the same psychic powers or wargear combination." We can't duplicate Sagas OR wargear combination OR psychic powers in our armies (though as mentioned, Venerable Dreadnoughts, technically, aren't "characters", so their Saga of Majesty option wouldn't count - though I would consider that interpretation, while true to RAW, to be a bit unsporting). I'm not sure if the bit about psychic powers means no duplication, or if the combination can't be duplicated - I think most of us are going with the latter interpretation. Runic Weapons and Crozius are different, so youd not be in violation. Identical means just that- exactly the same. The Space Marine Chaplain carry the Crozius, but our Wolf Priest carries a "power weapon" (and Ulrik does, too, hrm). Someone really inclined to use our no-duplication rule against us might be inclined to point out that a Wolf Priest in power armour with bolt pistol etc etc is equipped identically to a Wolf Lord with PA, bolt pistol, and power weapon. It'd be rather hair-splitting, though, and a bit unsporting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2237171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Nah, our WPs have gor the crozius. Ulrik has a PW, but that is cool since he has got a lot of spcial stuff that noone else got. So no problem here. pg. 85 WP entry says Crozius Arcanum (Power Weapon) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2237620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Besides which, they have the Wolf Amulet and Fang of Morkai. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2237679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Oh yes, your quite right Stinky B) its out of character to take it more than once (why anyone would want to I'm not sure), but the rules allow it (though I don't advocate its use). In fact, though I'm loving the current spacewolf codex, I find my self struggling to fit sagas in! Wheres the definition of a character? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2237682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Well, to be honest I'd limit "characters" to anyone in the HQ section. Iron Priests are characters, I suppose, but you wouldn't take one anyway, and saga of the iron wolf isn't worth taking even if you did. Venerable Dreadnoughts (Bjorn excepted) don't count as they're walkers. Lone Wolves don't have a saga option. The specific rule talks about combinations of wargear, sagas and psychic powers. I'd guesstimate that if you wanted to field two completely naked (zero wargear) Wolf Priests that'd be wrong because they have the same (non) combination of wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2237707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Nah, our WPs have gor the crozius. Ulrik has a PW, but that is cool since he has got a lot of spcial stuff that noone else got. So no problem here.pg. 85 WP entry says Crozius Arcanum (Power Weapon) Criminy, so it does. I must've read too hastily - my apologies! Besides which, they have the Wolf Amulet and Fang of Morkai. Ah, true. I had forgotten that the Wolf Priests have one of their special goodies tied up in wargear, where the SM Chaplain's are more in Special Rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/188957-same-saga-problems/#findComment-2238578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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