So did the SW FAQ answer your questions?

[Requisition]

Ok not to sound dumb but, I assume on the first page on the FAQ where it say's "Page 84, Wolf Lord, Options, ffifth bullet point change -power fist....10 points, to -power fist, frost blade or frost axe.... 10 points" this is for the terminator armor section? which would mean we can use frost blades with the terminator armor?

 

Yep, that is exactly what it means.

[Taeken]

Great FAQ. It did answer at least 3/4 of the questions out there. Though the Arjak throwing/Thunder hammer issue would be nice to have finalized as well. Hopefully we will get an amendum with additional questions in a couple of months.

 

It is very interesting that Last Laugh can take down even a Titan. Might have to use Lukas in a mini desposable suicide unit to take out an HQ or Elite sometime.

[King Tiger]

I don't see wolf guard+skyclaws mentioned, would of liked even a NO on the subject, unless its so small I missed it out of the 6 freaking pages

[maznaz]

I don't see wolf guard+skyclaws mentioned, would of liked even a NO on the subject, unless its so small I missed it out of the 6 freaking pages

 

The fact that it's not in there is your NO.

[theonelawler]

Am i reading this right Counter-attack activates Furious Charge?

[Thunderpup]

Am i reading this right Counter-attack activates Furious Charge?

 

You are reading that correctly.

[King Tiger]

I don't see wolf guard+skyclaws mentioned, would of liked even a NO on the subject, unless its so small I missed it out of the 6 freaking pages

 

The fact that it's not in there is your NO.

no it isn't, the fact its not there answers nothing, lots of FAQ's fail to answer any questions, just look at the previous marine one, since its GW the fact its not there is more likely because they couldn't be bothered to answer it because there Lazy, and probably realised after 6 pages it might of been easier to actually write the codex properly in the first place, instead of just not bothering to even try.

[greese_m0nkey]

Am i reading this right Counter-attack activates Furious Charge?

 

From what I read yes. That will make peaple think twice about charging any unit Ragnar is part of.

[Lumdin]

That also means if you use warhowl during your opponents shooting phase. Then any unit within 12" of ragnar should then get furious charge benefit if they pass their leadership on counter attack test when your opponent charges them.

 

In theory

 

sweet

[Lord Ragnarok]

No questions for me except that they didnt address saga of the hunter and BEL for scouts, but I personally don't think he can because it's a unique rule to the scouts. (also would be very powerful....Thammer, shield, saga of bear, runic armor in the rear of the enemy will cause much weeping).

 

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edit, yeah Arjac's stunning hammer while throwing and WGPL for jump packers are two other "FAILS".

[Chodjinn]

Goody gumdrops. The three things I wanted are there; Frost Axe for my lord in TDA; T5 for TWM; and the best, Logan Grimnar's High King rule - that means I will eventually be fielding my Long Fang drop pod of melta or plasma death!! :)

[Wispy]

I notice it contradicts the INAT FAQ in a few places.

 

I take it for tournaments, GW's FAQ trumps INAT?

[Prosedragon]

Sadly, I think we did get the "no" to wolf guard with sky claws...much like my Iron Priest can't go play with the other wolves (still not an independent character)...sad day.

 

Much as I don't like their ruling, it's just straight up awesome that wolf lords on twm are T5.

[BlackSpike]

I notice it contradicts the INAT FAQ in a few places.

 

I take it for tournaments, GW's FAQ trumps INAT?

 

For Tournaments, that Tournament's FAQ Trumps everything. They may choose to use any/all/none from any other FAQ.

Official GW Tournaments are likely to use the GW FAQ, I would have thought.

[Vassakov]

One of the better FAQ's out there. Answers most questions, clears up some things that had to be errors (Frost Blade + TDA, I'm looking at you) and appears to draw on the thoughts of the wider community, rather than adding pages of nothing. Well done, GW.

 

One the INAT v GW issue, talk to your Tournament Organiser. GW should technically trump it, but it depends.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

That also means if you use warhowl during your opponents shooting phase. Then any unit within 12" of ragnar should then get furious charge benefit if they pass their leadership on counter attack test when your opponent charges them.

 

In theory

 

sweet

 

I thought of the same idea until I refenced Ragnar's rules.

 

"Furthermore, once per a game at the beginning of his assault phase Ragnar can give voice to a terryting war howl ...." Page 55 SW Rulebook

 

Logan is stil top dog because he can use his special rule granting extra attacks whenever the heck he wants.

[SamaNagol]

I have been very vocal of my distress at GWs lack of proof reading and lax attitude to issuing errata and FAQs for RAW problems.

 

So I want to give a very big THANK YOU to GW for doing such a brilliant job with this FAQ. It answers pretty much everything that could need answering and clears up a number of things which I hadnt even thought of.

 

And holy crap, Ragnar gives his unit Furious (Counter)Charge!

[Wolf Lord Hallbjorn]

My favorite one is the question about outflanking and IC, they totally missed the mark in what people are asking.

 

Q. Can an Independent Character that has

joined a Wolf Scouts pack outflank? What about

if he has the Saga of the Hunter?

A. No he cannot. He can only join an outflanking

unit if he has the ability to outflank because of

the Saga of the Hunter.

 

We knew we can only get outflanking by having SotH, what we want to know is can we BEL with that said IC. Bahhh!

 

Somewhat disappointed in the Rockfist Stubburn ruling, though the issue being settled is nice.

 

At least they did a pretty good job at answering most of our questions. Though I think they needed another 6 pages to get them all.

 

Real glad they came out with the High King answers before the IGT next week.

 

Vrox

 

I think they answered this when they talked about Pack leaders joining a unit of Scouts can outflank and BEL. Their reasoning is because he becomes part of the pack. "Yes to all of the above, because the Wolf Guard Pack Leader is not an Independent character..."

 

Although I never had a stance on whether WGPL's should be able to join a unit of Sky Claws it is nice to have the ruling on that. I can see either side of the story fluffwise.

 

Edit: Overall, yes I am pleased with the FAQ. 6 pages did take awhile to read. But they clarified everything. Even the questions that could be answered by COMMON SENSE. And I am very happy for all the fellas who wanted Frost Blade available for HQ's in TDA. congrats. TWM was clarified well too. I think its safe to say that the strength increase plus power fist is played the same as toughness. It would be Strength 10, not strength nine.

 

With regards to them answering the real question, they didn't do it directly. They call them Wolf Guard Pack Leaders because they're regular wolf guard bought as a pack and then individually assigned to lead other units. A "Wolf Guard Pack Leader" is not an independent character, but a Wolf Guard Battle Leader IS an independent character. They're two different things. Wolf Guard can't take sagas, but a Wolf Guard Battle Leader CAN take sagas such as SoTH. It's only when you combine the two FAQ entries that you see the point. A wolf guard that was assigned to the pack can OBEL with them because he's not an independent character and therefore doesn't negate the squads rules for his own. When you try that with an independent character, you use the rules for said character and in this case outflank and OBEL are slightly different. The bottom line is that when you're trying to figure out whether you can OBEL with an added model such as a wolf guard, you can use OBEL if the model added isn't an independent charcter but you can't if they are because of the rules involved with an independent character joining a unit.

[Wolf Guard Hengist]

No questions for me except that they didnt address saga of the hunter and BEL for scouts, but I personally don't think he can because it's a unique rule to the scouts. (also would be very powerful....Thammer, shield, saga of bear, runic armor in the rear of the enemy will cause much weeping).

 

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edit, yeah Arjac's stunning hammer while throwing and WGPL for jump packers are two other "FAILS".

 

 

Its a shame they didnt elaborate on this one a bit more because it can still go either way. They actually ask and answer two questions which is a bit silly really. They ask if an IC joins a Scout unit can he outflank? The answer is NO, simples. Second question is what if he has Saga of the Hunter? "He can only join an outflanking unit if he has the ability to outflank because of saga of the hunter" So he can join the scouts and use outflank with them.

 

Yes but Hengist it doesnt say that he can use the OBEL ability you bone head!

 

Page 27 Codex Space Wolves says:

 

"If a Wolf Scout unit makes use of its ability to outflank, roll a dice when it enters play to see where it may be deployed.....etc 1 2 3"

 

I guess the the key word here is "Outflank" so the RAW would be scouts actually outflank and not OBEL although the OBEL rules alters the effect of the outflank. Thats how I read it anyway, so I would say yes an IC can join the scouts and come on from any board edge with them.

 

EDIT: The above post however has just pointed me to page 48 of the BRB the paragraph "Special Rules" which counters what I have just posted going back to the old RAw and RAI epic battle.

[Ominous Anonymous]

Does an IC have the OBEL rule?

[Morticon]

Got one "right", one "wrong" as far as big debates were concerned!

JOTWW needs LOS - right

And as far as Leaders of the Pack go, you're safe with 1 power that is the same- just not two!

 

Overall an excellent FAQ.

 

Big props to GW for finally putting out something as detailed as this to clarify things!

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I am a very very happy Wolf Lord....

 

true T5, Logan is awesome, and WOLF LORD IN TDA GET FROST BLADES!!!!!!!

 

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i am going to have to restrain my victory dance over a few of the locals here...or not

 

WLK

[JamesI]

Glad they cleared up the big issues (even if not in the way that agrees with previous rulings, but the questions are solved which is good).

[rodgambit]

OBEL is not a special rule. It is just how our scouts deploy when they use their normal outflank. If you attached a WGBL to a scout pack in reserves and the scout pack decides to outflank, then the WGBL would use the OBEL rule with them. You are rolling the reserve roll to outlfank with the scout unit and the IC is attached to the outflanking unit because he has the saga.

[Niiai]

Wow! 6 pages of very good FAQ!

 

Finaly the thunderwolf question was setteled. Now I will have T5 heroes leading wolves! :)

 

I was supriced by some of it. Ragnar with blood claw's get furius charge on the counter attack and they get a minumum of 2 attacks on the charge and 3 if they are lucky... Oh my. If Nids lost the genestealers I6 then I am building a ragnar! And tosing in a wolf priest just to make it hurt a bit more. :-)

 

The non independent special characters also worked out fine. I guess that the Anvil is espesialy good since he can't be singeled out.

 

The only thing I am missing is the super outflank, but as far as I can see from the FAQ he would only get outflank and not behind enemy lines. (In the quetsion that spesificaly asks about the outflanking. It would have mentioned behind enemy lines if it was worth mentioning.)