Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'd give the rider a frost blade anyway for the 7 strength 6 attacks on the charge. They do say that an Independent Character with the outflank rule (due to saga of the hunter) can join a scout squad and outflank with them. Scouts have their own rules for outflanking so I guess he would follow them in their infiltration. Tooled up battle leader assisting the 10 tooled up scouts and pack leader in the carving up of a significant chunk of the enemy? I guess it works. Certainly dumping a squad like that in the enemy deployment zone would be somewhat of a shock the first time you did it... you might not get another game. B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuro Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 nope - not what the faq says. It states that you pick a target model, nothing about it being the first model in the line. The power then hits everything between the runepriest and target as far as I can tell ~O I'm afraid I believe you're wrong about this, it reads "The Rune Priest must have line of sight to the first model that the power affects – in effect he is treated as the target model" If the power goes forward from the rune priest the first model affected will be the one closest to him on the line. On the other hand, the "on its way through" suggests it's hitting them on the power's way to the target. My interpretation is that it hits the other models 'as it completes its path' Tsuro Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Can someone please clear up the skyclaw bit that was mentioned earlier? I am a bit confused as to what this pertains too. Whether or not Wolf Guard can be attached to Skyclaws and the answer is no. Which makes very little sense in my opinion and in the opinion of most. [edit] I'd like to point out that GW dropped the hammer on fools who liked to use rending Thunder Hammers on Thunderwolves. Why cant they be attached to a skyclaw pack? :) in the WG section where it says they can become pack leaders, skyclaws are not listed as an option. i finally got around to reading the codex from cove to cover this last week. i admitingly never read the skyclaw entry before. after reading the fluff for them, i feel that it would of gone against the fluff they just made up for them if they could get a pack lead. that is my take ton it though. it would also make me feel tha lukas would be a skyclaw, but i still wouldn't use him.... so why am i still talking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 only thing missing i think is the Arkark thunder hammer throwing would it counts as a stun attack , also if a character with hunter saga have obel with scouts , other wise , BEST FAQ GW gas ever made XD kudos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I assume the very first thing in the FAQ means that our Runic weapons only works once per psy-power, even though you have multiple RPs, regarding cancelling other powers I mean? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olgerth Istaarn Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Q. Can a Grey Hunter unit that consists of nine Grey Hunters and a Wolf Guard Pack Leader take a second special weapon?A. No, as the unit is not comprised of ten models until just before the battle starts, at which point it is far too late to be tinkering with your army list. This provides players who wish to mount their Grey Hunters in a Rhino or Drop Pod with a difficult tactical choice – extra special weapon or Wolf Guard pack leader? God damnit, they waited until the last page to kick me in the balls. Words cannot describe how disappointed I am. The whole "must have ten GH guys to have a second special weapon" is a STUPID :cussING RULE, god damn it all to hell. I knew they were going to go for "difficult tactical choice" excuse, I bloody knew it, but I still had hopes. Yeah, I am a touch angry right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Anonymous Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 It's balanced, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Olgerth Istaarn, you didn't read the rules did you? Wolf guard pack leaders join their squads AFTER the list has been completed, in the same way characters join other squads. We didn't need a FAQ for that really, but for those that mis-interpretted the rule ( and for those who may use the misinterpretation to their advantage ), i am not saying you would, i guess it was necessary. thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm disapointed, it doesn't mention if WGs are retinue or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 nope - not what the faq says. It states that you pick a target model, nothing about it being the first model in the line. The power then hits everything between the runepriest and target as far as I can tell ~O I'm afraid I believe you're wrong about this, it reads "The Rune Priest must have line of sight to the first model that the power affects – in effect he is treated as the target model" If the power goes forward from the rune priest the first model affected will be the one closest to him on the line. On the other hand, the "on its way through" suggests it's hitting them on the power's way to the target. My interpretation is that it hits the other models 'as it completes its path' Tsuro Its six of one half a dozen of an other. Both have the same effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm surprised on a few rulings. The Arjac not confering stubborn on his unit seriously decreases his usefulness IMO. I'm surprised on the Lucas stasis bomb thing as well, and kind of annoyed that they ruled necrons can come back from that but didn't say anything about WBB rolls and Jaws interactions. And the bits about Njal's abilities that don't work if he goes second make him even less worth his points. Ragnar's squad being able to fire bolters or whatnot to prevent themselves from charging makes the Insane Bravado rule completely pointless. Also, the rulings on furious charge, insane bravado, and defensive grenades is odd, having come down on both sides of the counter-attack issue. The Logan thing, while not entirely surprising, is interesting. I wonder if there'll be an increase in SW podding armies after this. The Saga of the Hunter question didn't get answered at all, although they tried. I'm wish they'd put in something about an Iron Priest's servitors and cyberwolves, so we know if they're wargear or not. And I'm sad that they didn't say that they made a mistake on the Iron Priest entry and forgot to give him transport options. He'd be great if he could just take a rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm disapointed, it doesn't mention if WGs are retinue or not. They're not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm disapointed, it doesn't mention if WGs are retinue or not. It does not say they are, so they are not. Pretty clear to me. It does talk about Fen Wolves and if the Fen Wolves are not retinue then I assure you WG are not either. Somewhat disappointed in that ruling Fen Wolves should allow for a retinue to be formed not a 3rd squad, just does not make sense. Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 nope - not what the faq says. It states that you pick a target model, nothing about it being the first model in the line. The power then hits everything between the runepriest and target as far as I can tell ~O I'm afraid I believe you're wrong about this, it reads "The Rune Priest must have line of sight to the first model that the power affects – in effect he is treated as the target model" If the power goes forward from the rune priest the first model affected will be the one closest to him on the line. On the other hand, the "on its way through" suggests it's hitting them on the power's way to the target. My interpretation is that it hits the other models 'as it completes its path' Tsuro Its six of one half a dozen of an other. Both have the same effect. Lol..Tsuro's example yes. I think the issue is still on the targetting of it. It's picing of a target is still ambiguous and so will cause trouble (from what I see it's still different from how we were originally doing it. Will give it some thought and see if I can come up with a full and rounded explanation which takes in the LoS rules, the Shooting rules, the psychic rules, the specific power rules and the FAQ rules ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Just a nod to the scouts/OBEL/independent character thing: Scouts can't 'outflank' as such, if you read the ruling of what they do, they must operate behind enemy lines, they can't choose to 'just' outflank.... if deployed via outflank - OBEL is activated, there isn't a choice given.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Just a nod to the scouts/OBEL/independent character thing: Scouts can't 'outflank' as such, if you read the ruling of what they do, they must operate behind enemy lines, they can't choose to 'just' outflank.... if deployed via outflank - OBEL is activated, there isn't a choice given.... I think GW worded it poorly, but I think an HQ with Saga of the Hunter can join scouts and outflank (and as scouts roll on the OBEL chart, the HQ OBELs) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Am I the only one that is delighted with this FAQ? There are one or two things I dislike (Arjac's unit not stubborn, Rune Weapons not stacking, Njal only angry if he goes first) but for the most part I'm very happy. Thunderwolves getting Base T5 is filth. Now my fists and my Lords are going to be S10 insta-killing Ork Warbosses and Nid beasties en masse. Rune Priests are now even better if that was possible - Jaws kills slow things while Stormcaller gives my Land Raiders cover saves while they move 12+D3" inches thanks to the Iron Priests who is now very much worth the Elite slot. And they've confirmed that Jaws is sniping? Pure unadulterated win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 There is nothing ambiguous about 'the Rune Priest must have line of sight to the first model the power hits'. It's a non-argument, unless English isn't your first language. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Its a small thing but I enjoy the fact now that the PW on the scouts no longer replaces the bolt pistol, making a slight but wonderful bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonwolf Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Its a small thing but I enjoy the fact now that the PW on the scouts no longer replaces the bolt pistol, making a slight but wonderful bonus. I don't have my codex at the moment but since the FAQ changes the wording to just "take" instead of "replace x with y" that would seem to indicate that they don't lose any wargear but get to add a plasma pistol and/or a power weapon. I'm sure I have this wrong but hey, it's Friday. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Great FAQ. Nice to see that JotWW affect jump infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Great FAQ. Nice to see that JotWW affect jump infantry. Where is that in the FAQ? Perhaps I missed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Great FAQ. Nice to see that JotWW affect jump infantry. I may have missed that in the FAQ , but can you point out where it states that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I dislike the idea of Jump Infantry being hit by it but that won't stop me pulling them down. Affecting jetbikes was a bit much though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I dislike the idea of Jump Infantry being hit by it but that won't stop me pulling them down. Affecting jetbikes was a bit much though. No where in the FAQ does it say Jump infantry are affected. (I just reread it to be sure) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189118-so-did-the-sw-faq-answer-your-questions/page/5/#findComment-2239710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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