dizzy-xc Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 40mm or 60mm? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Still no answer on that one unfortunately. its not even a choice between 60mm or 40mm, theres just no base size provided. Canis is on a 60mm, but he's a big bugger. Juggernaughts (nearest thing) are on a 40mm (I believe). I've mounted mine on a 60mm, but I think when they are eventually released, it'll be 40mm. So... personally, I would magnetise/pin them to your chosen base size (there is no wrong or right at the moment), and check at any tounrament you may attend what size(s) they will accept. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2245632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Are juggers on 40mm? I thought they were 60mm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2245658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 they are on the same size base as a juggernaut or a monstrous creature. you can look in the codex and see that canis' base is the same size as the juggernauts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2245730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Problem is we can 'assume' that (maybe) but we don't know. cool, juggers on 60mm, thats decent B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2245734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 as said by nurglepuss, its not definitve by a long stretch. the only 'thunderwolf' model is fangir but as stated in his rules/description he is the largest of his kind and so should be the largest TW model. Whether they will be released on 40mm or 60mm bases isn't known... i think it depends on what you are using as the basis for the model. some look stupid on 40mm and vice versa. go with a base that fits the model you are using, just be prepared that you may at some point need to rebase them (basically pin them to the base to make it easier to remove them). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2245738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Exactly B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2245740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I think Fangir is on the 60mm both for size and Canis' special rules. If he wasn't on such a large base then his rules would suck (although not impressed with the rending nerf)... Personally as they're cav I expect like other beast cav and bikes they'll be on the long round ended bases ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2245747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 And they mention *not* to mount Canis on a larger base! LoL! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2246605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaWolf Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 i betcha it will be the same base as the bikes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2246838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 If they ever decide to bring them out, after all Daemon players still wait for a lot of their models to be released. I'am thinking about going with standard horses that makes some sense somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2247022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The codex states Fangir is a thunderwolf whose benefits are already included in Canis' profile. GW has mounted their only thunderwolf model, which by codex definition it is, on a 60mm base. THIS MEANS THAT THUNDERWOLVES HAVE 60MM BASES! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2249829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 no, it means that FANGIR is on a 60mm base. if you use that as the basis of your model then mount it on a 60mm base, if not mount it on a base more suited to the model you are using. its worth noting that fangir is the largest of his kind, and that the base size elps to make Canis' special rule worthwile as being on a 40mm base will result in fewer models being in base contact and as such the extra attacks will be minimal. it all depends on the model youre basing your conversion on, some will look ridiculous on 60mm bases and some will not look right on 40mm bases. at the end of the day do whatever you feel is best to make the model look good and wait and see what happens if/when GW bring out official models. does it really matter what size your opponent uses, its not the end of the world if in 6 months time GW release a proper model and its on a different sized base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2249841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I got a few models from that russian (eBay) source and I mounted them on standard GW Cav. bases. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2249928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 as said by nurglepuss, its not definitve by a long stretch. the only 'thunderwolf' model is fangir but as stated in his rules/description he is the largest of his kind and so should be the largest TW model. He doesnt ride a TWM- he rides FANGIR. The largest known thunderwolf. Thus any others should be smaller. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=183143 pg. 54 in our codex, Fangir is described as a monstrous Thunder wolf, as strong as a mastodon and as tall at the shoulder as an ice troll. pg. 34 the description of Thunder wolves in the Thunder wolf Cavalry section says that physically, Thunder wolves are truly monstrous, their anatomies having more in common with terran rhinoceroid bla bla bla reaching as much as eight feet in height at the shoulder. Fangir (mounted on a 60mm base) maybe the largest known Thunder wolf, but notice how both descriptions in our codex mentions monstrous its something to consider with it comes to this discussion. Sure Fangir is a special named Thunder wolf, and is ridden by a special character but we Son's of Russ boast allot when it comes to our personal wargear/items ie. my bolter is considered a relic for it slayed a daemon sorcerer; wolf brother Grey Mage's bolter is also a relic for it slayed an ork warboss. Rune Lord Beef's bolter is also a relic for Russ once farted on his... see what I mean? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2249958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFlanz Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 as said by nurglepuss, its not definitve by a long stretch. the only 'thunderwolf' model is fangir but as stated in his rules/description he is the largest of his kind and so should be the largest TW model. He doesnt ride a TWM- he rides FANGIR. The largest known thunderwolf. Thus any others should be smaller. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=183143 pg. 54 in our codex, Fangir is described as a monstrous Thunder wolf, as strong as a mastodon and as tall at the shoulder as an ice troll. pg. 34 the description of Thunder wolves in the Thunder wolf Cavalry section says that physically, Thunder wolves are truly monstrous, their anatomies having more in common with terran rhinoceroid bla bla bla reaching as much as eight feet in height at the shoulder. Fangir (mounted on a 60mm base) maybe the largest known Thunder wolf, but notice how both descriptions in our codex mentions monstrous its something to consider with it comes to this discussion. Sure Fangir is a special named Thunder wolf, and is ridden by a special character but we Son's of Russ boast allot when it comes to our personal wargear/items ie. my bolter is considered a relic for it slayed a daemon sorcerer; wolf brother Grey Mage's bolter is also a relic for it slayed an ork warboss. Rune Lord Beef's bolter is also a relic for Russ once farted on his... see what I mean? Fluff does not equal rules... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfScout Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I actually got the "official" answer from GW HQ when I was managing one of their stores. I had asked as I had a lot of hobbyists that were asking me. The answer I was given was that Canis set the standard regardless of the fact that Fengir is the "largest of hiskind" and the base size for ALL Thunderwolves is 60mm. Who knows if G-dub will change their mind in time, but as of when I asked in October, that was their official answer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 What happened to the models being placed on minimum size of bases that are provided with them? thing. As long as their is no thunderwolf cavalry you can pick any base you like as their isn't a model (except for one that is as expensive as a Dreadnought.) I for one wont be buying 5 of those. I think ill stick to the horses idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Fluff does not equal rules... huh? who are you again? <_< what you say is true, but what I was pointing out wasn't about the rules nor the fluff. I was merely replying to the comments made, about Fangir and answering back with the descriptions about Fangir and Thunder wolves itself written on the codex. Indicating that their both considered monstrous, and also adding to the fact that the Son's of Russ love to boast. Fluff does not equal rules, I was just going with logic and common sense, with the given written facts about the said, factitious sci-fi war game we all enjoy, love and play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The codex states Fangir is a thunderwolf whose benefits are already included in Canis' profile. GW has mounted their only thunderwolf model, which by codex definition it is, on a 60mm base. THIS MEANS THAT THUNDERWOLVES HAVE 60MM BASES! No need to shout little brother, we can all read your posts without the use of capitals. Actually there is nothing firm on this yet - hence the discussion... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 The only existing Thunderwolf model is on a 60mm, so it would make sense to go with 60mm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 So if i would take fenrisian wolves as thunderwolf mount i would have to put them on 60mm bases even though they are provided with the long bike bases. (yes i have those lying around) BTW Were do we find gw bases of 60mm, last time i checked they werent sold anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireLizard Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Until GW releases an actual "Thunderwolf Cavalry" model or box, it's always going to be up in the air and up to us to play it fair. Tournaments will be a little dicey at times, but still. Right now? I went by the unit type in their description. It says "cavalry", not "monstrous Creature" so I mounted mine on this base: http://dragonforge.com/for%20sale%20images...set%201%202.jpg They are larger than the GW bike bases by quite a bit... using 40mm as the basis for the curves, then creating the oval from there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 So if i would take fenrisian wolves as thunderwolf mount i would have to put them on 60mm bases even though they are provided with the long bike bases. (yes i have those lying around) Huh? :) are you being sarcastic? unless your going to use some kind of "counts-as" clever conversion using F. Wolves as a proxy to a "said" much larger type of F. Wolf, as a Thunder Wolf mount then go nuts! just not sure how nice it would look on table-top. Our codex says that F. Wolves are smaller in nature compared to T. Wolves, they are dwarfed by the T. Wolves. Representing a T. Wolf mount using the old Dire Wolf models from the Warhammer Fantasy range in my own honest opinion wont do it justice. The model(s) you speak of were/are provided with the long bike bases because they weren't meant to be used as T. Wolves from a production point of view. Their given those long bases because their original purpose and intent is for a "cavalry" type model. BTW Were do we find gw bases of 60mm, last time i checked they werent sold anymore. look harder, easier to find online stores! ie. eBay Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2250902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Nevermind my F. Wolf comment (Sarcasm on my part). What i'am serious about is the use of Horses, anyone could state they wouldn't be able to lift a marine due to weight but they should try to true scale a horse for a change. I can say it doesn't look that bad and i might show them this week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189609-what-size-bases-for-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2251054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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