dizzy-xc Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Codex says: 1-5 Long Fangs 1 Squad Leader That says to me I can take 5 Long Fangs and then add a Squad Leader for a 6 man unit. Anyone know bout this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 You are correct, we can now take up to 5 heavy weapons, and 1 pack leader, who can take a normal special weapon as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 And also we can add a WG to them, for example, WG in TDA with Cyclone missile launcher. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 They also have the 'Fire Control' special rule as long as the squad leader is alive and doesn't shoot. Basically the unit can split its fire (the numbers that split are at your discretion) against two targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Just to confirm something, I can't add a Wolf Guard to the LF pack and use him as the squad leader for split fire correct? I still need to pay for the extra LF squad leader for the split fire weather I add a WG or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaguewolf Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 And also we can add a WG to them, for example, WG in TDA with Cyclone missile launcher. yes, but the WG would cost almost as much as 1 leader and 2 long fangs with missile launcers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Just to confirm something, I can't add a Wolf Guard to the LF pack and use him as the squad leader for split fire correct? I still need to pay for the extra LF squad leader for the split fire weather I add a WG or not? The Squad leader is a mandatory part of the Long Fang Squad. A Wolf Guard can not replace the squad leader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 But WG in TDA can soak up some AP3 damage and pack two additional krak shots per turn. AND according to the FAQ, he and any IC, who joins the LF pack, CONFERS the "Split fire" rule! That being, that he does not replace the LF pack leader, but if the LF pack leader gets killed, WG ensures that LF will still split fire. That's my reading of the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Well does the same apply to WG and WGBL both as being able to replace the LF Squad Leader for Split fire in case he is killed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Well, technically yes, since the WGBL is and IC. But I dont't see the point for WGBL joining LF pack. And strictly speaking, they do not replace the LF pack leader - the FAQ says that LF can still benefit from Fire Control, if joined by WG or IC. But I must admit that the wording is a bit ambigous. It could be read as well that the pack, including WG and IC may still split fire, but it wouldn't make much sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Well, technically yes, since the WGBL is and IC. But I dont't see the point for WGBL joining LF pack. And strictly speaking, they do not replace the LF pack leader - the FAQ says that LF can still benefit from Fire Control, if joined by WG or IC. But I must admit that the wording is a bit ambigous. It could be read as well that the pack, including WG and IC may still split fire, but it wouldn't make much sense. All that it means is that an IC joining the unit doesnt negate the squads ability to use the rule. The character doesnt suddenly gain the ability to tell the squad where to fire, nor can he replace the LF pack leader if/when he dies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Ah, so it's the second ambigous reading I was afraid of... But it would be stupid to presume that IC joining LF pack would suddenly overrule pack leader's authority by telling who is shooting at what. Strange, that GW replied to such question and left without reply more important ones.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Well people are trying to argue that an ICs presence overrules OBEL, so wouldnt this be much the same? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Since, as already said, the Long Fang Leader is a compulsory part of the squad the only interpretation of the rule clarification is that the attached WGPL or IC does not negate his special rule. Indeed, as long as the PL or IC are part of the squad they can split fire with the Long Fangs. My Wolf Guard heavy weapons go in my terminator squads. I do only use assault cannon though, quite useless in a Long Fang pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Ok well that clears things up a bit. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 i fail to see how this question in the FAQ; Q. Can a Long Fang unit benefit from Fire Control if it has been joined by a Wolf Guard Pack Leader or Independent Character? A. Yes indeed. can be read that an IC confers he split fire rule onto a unit. Sure it says that the unit doesn't lose the special rule, but no where does it say that the attached characters confer the ability. So, you have to take a pack leader, you then take between 1 and 5 long fangs (therefore you can have a 6 man squa, 5 of which can have heavy weapons). You may attach characters and Wol guard to them to increase the number of models, and doing so will not negate the Split Fire of the pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted January 14, 2010 Author Share Posted January 14, 2010 Yeah, Stinkenheim, but my question is this: Can you take the PL as a casualty and still split fire? I think the question is relevant whether or not a WG or IC is attached because lets say I want to allocate a wound to the PL and save my 5x heavy weapons, are they still gonna be able to split fire when the PL dies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Yeah, Stinkenheim, but my question is this: Can you take the PL as a casualty and still split fire? I think the question is relevant whether or not a WG or IC is attached because lets say I want to allocate a wound to the PL and save my 5x heavy weapons, are they still gonna be able to split fire when the PL dies? No. That's what he just said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Yeah, Stinkenheim, but my question is this: Can you take the PL as a casualty and still split fire? I think the question is relevant whether or not a WG or IC is attached because lets say I want to allocate a wound to the PL and save my 5x heavy weapons, are they still gonna be able to split fire when the PL dies? No. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2246998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 the question about the Ic/ WG taking over split fire if the LF pack leader made me think the following.... http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2247024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 He is not taking over, he is able to do it with the pack. IE Old Grizzle beard yells "No you stupid Wolf Lord shoot that bastard over there!" and the heroe type can split fire without hurting the squads ability. It does not get nerfed because he is there. Only a Pack Leader for long fangs can split the fire. All can fire thou, except the pack leader directing them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2247047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Exactly, but its a needless clarification anyway, as the attached IC needs to shoot the same target as the squad. The squad can split its fire (if squad leader doesnt shoot/is alive) and so the IC would simply get to choose which target to fire at (i.e. whatever is the 'first' target of the squad before the second half fires at the 'second' target). It was one thing in the FAQ that really required no FAQ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2247060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Exactly, but its a needless clarification anyway, as the attached IC needs to shoot the same target as the squad. The squad can split its fire (if squad leader doesnt shoot/is alive) and so the IC would simply get to choose which target to fire at (i.e. whatever is the 'first' target of the squad before the second half fires at the 'second' target). It was one thing in the FAQ that really required no FAQ... Soooo, just top muddy the waters...a Long fang pack on it's own may split it's fire any which way it chooses. If joined by an independent character or wolf guard they still retain the ability to do so, no questions so far as the IC shoots at the original target then any none or all of the 'Fangs then shoot at something else. If you have multiple IC's join the unit then all of these must shoot at the primary target and then the 'Fangs anything they choose. However if there is a wolf guard pack leader what happens then? Does he have to shoot at the same target as the IC's or as with OBEL and all the scout rules does he get to shoot with the rest of the pack? ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2247085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 lets just say, shall we, that regardless ofwho joins the unit so long as the pack leader is alive they may split fire. if the pack leader dies they can't as no one else can claim to be the Long Fang Pack Leader, and its him you need to use the rule. Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are not Long Fang Pack Leaders... they merely share half the name Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2247111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are not Long Fang Pack Leaders... they merely share half the name Lol very true, however... lets just say, shall we, that regardless ofwho joins the unit so long as the pack leader is alive they may split fire.if the pack leader dies they can't as no one else can claim to be the Long Fang Pack Leader, and its him you need to use the rule. This isn't quite what I'm suggesting. It's down to targetting. If for instance I'd like to fire my rune priests murdrous hurricne at the approaching hoard of well spread out gaunts and then all of the krak missiles (including the 2 from the cyclone totting wolf guard) at the fex behind them I may not be able to do so if the wolf guard is not allowed to split fire in this manner. If he must fire at the original target (i.e the same one as the Rune priest) then his shots may go wasted and thus it'll be important if he uses the same rules as the others. While a wolf guard gains all of the wolfscout rules he doesn't for instance gain bezerk charge if he joins Blood Claws so there's no real precident within the book. I'd like to say that yes he gets to split fire properly but I'm really not sure. ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189630-long-fangs-5-man-unit-or-6/#findComment-2247248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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