Kill points

[Charliemachina]

How many kill points is competitive at 1500pts?

 

Is there a recomended breakdown of kill points to points??

 

charlie

[Iron_Chaos_Brute]

No, KPs really depend on your army. If you have a good army, you shouldn't have much trouble with KP games in my experience.

[minigun762]

I would build my army first, make it competitive and fluffy and generally an army that you like to play.

 

THEN check whether or not there is any easy ways to consolidate or reduce KP in your list without really affecting anything.

[Grey Mage]

I find that usually in a well balanced list theres slightly less than 1KP per 100pts, but thats just a general guideline- like our chaos friends here I tend to just make a good list, and worry about KPs when it comes down to the actual fight.

[Koremu]

Bike Squads are a good way to retain high effectiveness while not giving away too many Kill Points, as they don't require a Dedicated Transport.

[Charliemachina]

Thats the way I figured it but I had some input from a math hammer fanatic so I thought i'd test the theory. Thanks for the advice.

 

Charlie

[Giga]

My armies usually have between 10-12 KP in the 1500-1750 bracket.

 

Usually though, there's more actual KP because I like to combat squad (though I try not to do this in KP missions).

[JamesI]

In 1850, my BA run 13 kill points if I don't combat squad. My chaos runs 11.

[LardO'Blood]

My army is pretty low on KP, 6 at 1000, 8 with combat squads...Meh.

[minigun762]

At 2k I think I have a 15, but 10 of those are thanks to CSM/Rhino combos.

[Iron_Chaos_Brute]

For CSM:

9 at 1500

11 at 1750

12 at 1850

13 at 2000

 

These are artificially low because I play Raider rush and so use about 2-3 fewer slots than other builds.

[Duce]

As said bikers can really drop your KP amount, my 1750 army of them come in at 7, at 1500 I think i was at 4,

[Fetterkey]

I usually have 20 KPs at 2,000 points.

[Justicar Valius]

At 1500 I have 9, 2 of which are raiders and one of which is grey knight terminators (hard to get stuck into) but 2 are rhinos and another 3 are IST squads (easy to kill).

Just made the list and haven't had an actual game with it so don't know how it willl work

[Vissah]

I got 11 KP in 1700 points with my Chaos.

[glsn]

At 1500 I have 6 plus 3 lone wolves, not sure how to count them. 1750 has 9 plus 3 lone wolves and 2000 has 10 plus 3.

[Sanctjud]

My SM at 1500 have a minimum of 7 KPs.

At 1850, 8 KPs.

Why? Biker army/Termi army.

 

My CSM at 1675 has 10 KPs.

At 2000, 11 KP.

Why? Mech plague marines, DP/Oblits.

 

My Eldar at 1500 has 7 KPs.

At 1850, 9 KPs.

Why? Jetbikes, Full Bike Council and 2 prisms.

[DarkGuard]

My Space Marines at 1500pts normally have 11KPs, although this may rise to 16 if I combat squad (most likely to reach only 12 though). 4 of those KPs are Rhinos and Razorbacks, the rest being some attack bikes and a full half company, so they're not exactly amazingly durable.

 

IMO you shouldn't worry too much about your own KPs, but rather try to squeeze as much destructive power as you can into them. Even if your opponent has killed more KPs then you at the end of the game, if all his army has gone you've still won (this has happened to me before, very close game).

[unbeliever87]

My 1500 point vulkan list has 12 KPs.

 

In my opinion, Kill Points should be the last thing you thing about when designing a list. For example, I'd much rather give up an additional 2 KPs for the flexibility of running 3 land speeders as separate F/A choices.

[Warp Angel]

At 2000 points I have:

 

1 HQ KP

3 Elite KP

5 Troop KP

1 Fast KP

3 Heavy KP

 

That's 13. But I never really worry about how many I have because I can control my casualty rate to a large extent by maneuver and concentrate firepower to maximize my opponent's casualties.

 

I honestly never think about it, like a lot of other people have said above.

 

Remember: Every game can currently be won by annihilation. If your goal is annihilating your opponent, success means you can ignore KP, ignore objectives, and focus on killing your opponent. It's interesting how killing your opponent also helps with securing objectives and winning a killpoint game too. :)