flyingwarmonkey Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 TWC Rule Throw a lord on a wolf with a TH and a SS SoTWB then give the cav guy a fist take two other wolves with SS and then watch them eat their way through the board Land Raiders no problem, Death Wing Ha i mock you, and Nurgle i pop you like pustual. and well its pretty good regardless of what anyone says well worth the 80pts per (with SS) and price of a hammer plus those bad boys move barely enough time for my LF to pop the rhinos before they get there. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2251562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Well its definitely in the FAQ here though http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=179925 ........ :) ????????????????????????? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2251577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Its under weapons and IS IN BRIGHT YELLOW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2251593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Its under weapons and IS IN BRIGHT YELLOW 1) thats not a official FAQ, just something here to help out the lads. the only official FAQ is released from GW, and has no mention of the ruling you want. 2) the color is ORANGE. which is important because if you read that part, you would have read that: for if there's a contentious issue. so you have no official ground to stand on, and instead point to any source, regardless of its accuracy, to back you up. good job, you are now michael moore. until GW comes out and says 2 frost blades means +2 strength, you are stretching a poorly written codex to its breaking point to approve your what must be your very unbalanced game style. stop wasting our time. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2251594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 If you read the post without being totally against it before reading it, you would notice that I said "the one here does", and did not say it was "official". In the posts before I had said "I thought I had seen it in the official FAQ". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2252849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 If you read the post without being totally against it before reading it, you would notice that I said "the one here does", and did not say it was "official". In the posts before I had said "I thought I had seen it in the official FAQ". well i am against any person who power games... and i am much more against people who try to power game with "my" codex. makes me look as bad as them. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2252858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Its not really power gaming, and I have no idea why you think that the dual frostblade bit is powergaming. How unlikely would it be that a wolf lord would have two frostbldades? Or one that needed two hands? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2252861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Its not really power gaming, and I have no idea why you think that the dual frostblade bit is powergaming. How unlikely would it be that a wolf lord would have two frostbldades? Or one that needed two hands? you mean a S7 model, that can have a 2+/4++, move 6in, fleet and charge 12in and can stack kills for more attacks in the next CC phase??? you think that is legit? more importantly, this item has been arounf for atleast the 9 years i have played, and has never thought to grant +2 strength till the latest crop of Wolves joined the club. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2252884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The rules don't allow the stacking of special weapon attacks. If you have two frostblades then you must (as per the rules on special weapons) choose one to use. If you have a power weapon and fist you lose the bonus attack for two weapons, although I wouldn't invoke that in this case. Two frostblades are the same as one, except twice as dear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2252920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Its not really power gaming, and I have no idea why you think that the dual frostblade bit is powergaming. How unlikely would it be that a wolf lord would have two frostbldades? Or one that needed two hands? you mean a S7 model, that can have a 2+/4++, move 6in, fleet and charge 12in and can stack kills for more attacks in the next CC phase??? you think that is legit? more importantly, this item has been arounf for atleast the 9 years i have played, and has never thought to grant +2 strength till the latest crop of Wolves joined the club. WLK You never thought about it because you couldn't take the same item twice on a model in the previous codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2252943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 i never thought about it because i dont think its worth it. a S7 guy in my hands wouldnt last long. i roll so poorly i need a storm shield just to keep my guy on the table longer than 3 seconds. that doesnt mean i'll sit back and let people bring my boys a bad reputation. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2252970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Its not really power gaming, and I have no idea why you think that the dual frostblade bit is powergaming. How unlikely would it be that a wolf lord would have two frostbldades? Or one that needed two hands? The fluff is fine, but here you are seeking to find a way to gain an advantage that many here would find unfitting for a warrior of the Fang - hence being called out for powergaming. The view on such things in the Fang is a little different than elsewhere on the forum. Wolfbrothers pride themselves on a more ethical interpretation of the rules than 'how can I use RAW to find the loopholes' approach. Have an ale, little brother ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2253064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 well spoken ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2253074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Its not really power gaming, and I have no idea why you think that the dual frostblade bit is powergaming. How unlikely would it be that a wolf lord would have two frostbldades? Or one that needed two hands? The fluff is fine, but here you are seeking to find a way to gain an advantage that many here would find unfitting for a warrior of the Fang - hence being called out for powergaming. The view on such things in the Fang is a little different than elsewhere on the forum. Wolfbrothers pride themselves on a more ethical interpretation of the rules than 'how can I use RAW to find the loopholes' approach. Have an ale, little brother :) Let's be careful characterizing everyone under one umbrella. Space Wolves players have the same type of players as any other army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2253146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Let's be careful characterizing everyone under one umbrella. Space Wolves players have the same type of players as any other army. I would have to disagree with you on this point, but I can only base my view on the players I have met. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2253387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I found Space Wolf players - Pre-5th-Edition Space Wolf players - all have a great sense of humour regarding their army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2253406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I found Space Wolf players - Pre-5th-Edition Space Wolf players - all have a great sense of humour regarding their army. Same here...its the new blood that is scaring me. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2253677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I honestly apologize for starting an argument, I had no intention of doing so. May I please ask that you refrain from calling, or implying myself, or any other "new-bloods" power-gamers, or people just seeking loopholes. As *I* have read the rules, you may stack the weapons strength, but I understand and acknowledge anyone's right to dispute this. The reason I personally thought of taking this (considerably costly) setup on a wolf lord, is that I have my wolf lord being a slayer of great beasts, which this is very suited towards, so please do not accuse me of being something I am not, or do not have any intentions of doing or being. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 i would if i was doing it out of rudeness. but i am not. if may come off as rude, but unless GW decides to change the rules, you ARE power gaming, you are exploiting badly written rules. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Well I'm just sorry that you cant seem to accept my apology, and I will no longer indulge in this argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgambit Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I see no issue with taking 2 frost blades. It would fall under the "two of the same special weapon" in the rulebook, which, after reading would make me think that they stack granting +2 str and +1 attack. I can see the other side though too so hopefully they will FAQ it in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I see no issue with taking 2 frost blades. It would fall under the "two of the same special weapon" in the rulebook, which, after reading would make me think that they stack granting +2 str and +1 attack. I can see the other side though too so hopefully they will FAQ it in the future. By that reasoning two powerfists would quadruple the user's strength up to the maximum of 10 and with two lightening claws you could chose to re-roll hits with one and re-roll wounds with the other! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I see no issue with taking 2 frost blades. It would fall under the "two of the same special weapon" in the rulebook, which, after reading would make me think that they stack granting +2 str and +1 attack. I can see the other side though too so hopefully they will FAQ it in the future. By that reasoning two powerfists would quadruple the user's strength up to the maximum of 10 and with two lightening claws you could chose to re-roll hits with one and re-roll wounds with the other! OOoooooh!!! Where is that written?? I'm so doing that!!! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 OOoooooh!!! Where is that written?? I'm so doing that!!! ;) Bad wolf, BAD ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgambit Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I see your argument and was incorrect. I no longer think getting a +2 str is acceptable. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/189781-thunder-wolf-cav/page/2/#findComment-2254840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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