Night Runner Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I had a one off 2000pt game today at the club with a Tyranid player using the new Tyranid codex. I had been preparing for this game since mid-December, we had even designed the table three weeks beforehand and mapped it out to help us design our tactics. I decided to hold two objectives with a two packs of GH respectively. They were going to footslog mid-board and take the objectives. The GH packs were both led by a WG in TDA and I decided to give both units a Razorback for mobile cover and a bit more fire support. It was something I wanted to try out. The Razorback would not be used as a troop transport until the WG and 4 models of the pack died out. Well to cut to the chase, my opponent would not play with me saying I was power-playing and bending the rules out of the spirit of the game!!! Unbelievable!!! I was rather pissed off (more so because I was accused of power-playing), but decided to give in as not to ruin the evening and took two more termies instead, but I have been brooding since I came back home now as I write this. I have found nothing that disallows this tactic but I'm still not as rule savvy in 5th as I like to be out of laziness. Is taking a dedicated transport with a lower capacity than the unit so out of the spirit of the game? Is there a RAW or RAI that disallows this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Not even in the slightest. Getting a small tank for support is completely viable and tactically sound. Using the tank as moving cover while not impeding your or it's ability to shoot makes perfect sense. If you're not looking for speed all the time and still want to maintain effectiveness - at the price of protection - then that is you right as the Lord to do so. He was being foolish. If anything he should have been happy you weren't sticking everything in Rhinos as in most cases I would argue that is a better option. Makes good sense, and isn't power gamey at all. Your friend is being foolish imo. - Still your friend but a foolish one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrixxia Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 If I had to face a ravenous horde of viscous aliens that had claws and various toxic spiky bits, i would want what ever mobile armor was around to show up and aid me. That being said i am aware of no rules barring the taking of a razor back for a unit that cannot fit inside. As for it "not being in spirit/power gaming" i would have to say no to either point How many times in history has a general had to make do with what ever resources he had on hand? There are any number of reasons as to why the unit has an undersized APC with them. As for the power gaming aspect, i'm sorry but an extra heavy weapon or two mounted on a vehicle that has relatively paper thin armor doesn't strike me as being particularly power mongering. Don't get me wrong i use them myself, but always in a fluid reserve/backup capacity to the main line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Completely within the rules. Just don't try embarking your 10 man unit or try to embark just six of the ten. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Some Older codices require you to be under the maximum capacity in order to buy the transport- like black templars and WH... We are not one of those. The Tyranid Player was being an arse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Perfectly legal. And it makes sense. Giving a static unit a transport for another unit to steal is the only way things like lone wolves and iron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 First of all thanks to all who posted. I thought so myself, and on hindsight I should not have given in to his request. It spoiled the game and the night for me. Anyways, thanks for the feedback. I was absent during the 4th edition, I was playing more 10mm fantasy, and I didn't know that Black Templars and WH had these limitations. Maybe that is why he protested. Edit: Don't under estimate the new Tyranids, and try and to read their new dex before engaging them. I didn't and was very surprised in a 'chewed up and spat out' sort of way. Point for point their HQs carry far more punch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 If you need a GW answer to this i believe you can find one in the Chaos Marines errata. It talks about if you are able to take a Rhino with 20 Chaos Spacemarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Wolf Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 See, calling you a power-gamer for that is ridiculous. Transport Vehicles/Light armour in the modern military would usually be assigned as support to infantry. He just jealous nids don't have transports :tu: Oh and about your comment that nids are tough with their new codex, I agree wholeheatedly as I have the codex myself. Out of curiousity what did he use? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2252971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Exactly, nothing wrong with it at all :) I had a moments doubt as to whether it was 'in the spirit of the unit', but as you calirified that the tanks role would be purely cover & support, only getting the guys to a better point in the battle once reduced in numbers, I think thats fine. In fact, I've done it myself. Why would you want to charge into a horde of closecombat killing machines, when you can stand back and shoot. I would ask to replay the guy, saying you would like another shot. Point out the diffrences between codex's and explain exactly why you want to use the support vehicle in that way. Funily enough, some players can get wound up over somethin you have no idea that could be considered 'power gamerish'. I once suggested to my best mate the idea of designing a landraider chassis transport, with no sponsons, for increased capacity (i.e. 10 terminators) and got called as a power-gamer on that! - it wasnt a great idea, a very expensive transport (I reconned about 200pts) [btw this was all just theory, we don't make our own units/rules]. But no, wasnt even able to countenance it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2253141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Wow, Please don't play that person ever again unless they are apologizing in the form of many barrels of ale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190095-can-you-take-razorbacks-with-10-men-units-just-for-support/#findComment-2253151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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