MagneticFreak Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Well, I will face an avid tyranid player tomorow, who has a tendency of pushing power gaming to new levels. To prepare, I decided to include a Wolf Guard Terminator Squad in my list....and then it struck me. Arjac is probably the best character we have access to. And I decided to replace the wolf guard battle bearer I planned to use by Arjac, which seems to be just better at doing everything. My main points: 1. Reroll to hit agaist indep. character and MC, and always hits on a 3+ 2. Shoots his Thunder hammer at 6'' 3. Cannot be insta-killed 4. Has 4 attacks on the charge 5. Makes his squad stubborn (!) 6. Is not an independent character and therefore cannot be targetted in close combat at all! This is insane! I am happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chodjinn Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 remember lots of flamer goodness for those damn gaunts etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 5. Makes his squad stubborn (!) Not any more. :) But at least it's not quite as redundant a rule as giving Canis Rending... /sigh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 What do you mean, Stubborn does not apply to the whole squad?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 What do you mean, Stubborn does not apply to the whole squad?! Nope. Go to the Games Workshop website and download the recently released FAQ for our codex. His Stubborn only applies to him (when the rest of his unit is dead). Of course, that is a hella-lame interpretation, and your opponent may let you play otherwise if you ask him first. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 What do you mean, Stubborn does not apply to the whole squad?! Hes not a IC, so his special rule does not confer to the squad unfortunatly.... :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 Sorry to argue against my elders, but aren't pack leaders confering their Ld to a squad? Could we not assume that he is the pack leader? What prevents this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Yeah it's kind of weird, technically, Arjac stubborn leadership would be highest when leadership losses are taken... but whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Sorry to argue against my elders, but aren't pack leaders confering their Ld to a squad? Could we not assume that he is the pack leader? What prevents this? He does confer his base Leadership to the squad, but not his special rule (Stubborn), so his base Ld is modified due to losses in close combat for his unit, although it is not modified when he is on his own. Again, it is a stupid interpretation, but whatever. The FAQ writers aren't perfect and inevitably make a few bad calls. If you don't like what they've done, then don't use their FAQ, but make sure your opponents are good with that beforehand. Remember that FAQ are considered "soft rules", unlike Errata, which are "hard rules." The FAQ are basically GWs version of House Rules, but are handy for creating an even playing field and common ground/understanding for tournaments. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaemonPrinceDargor Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I think you'll find he has 5 attacks on the charge(or counter charge),3 base +1 charging/countercharging +1 Anvil shield. Cheers! :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfGuardVortek Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Because Stubburn is a special rule, not a leadership value. It's completely unrelated to Arjac's LD value. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Thing is, if he *was* an IC, Stubborn wouldn't get transfered over to any attached Squad. It was only the fact he wasn't an IC, and not limited to thier USR rules that allowed Stubborn to apply to the squad as a whole. Stupid ruling, but. As you can break him/other WG off, to leave him on his own, it's not quite as useless as Loki's, er Lucas' Cloak. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 people need to stop think Fantasy rules..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Thing is, if he *was* an IC, Stubborn wouldn't get transfered over to any attached Squad. It was only the fact he wasn't an IC, and not limited to thier USR rules that allowed Stubborn to apply to the squad as a whole. Stupid ruling, but. As you can break him/other WG off, to leave him on his own, it's not quite as useless as Loki's, er Lucas' Cloak. :) Is not stubborn one of the USR that actually transfers off a IC? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2253994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Since the Stubborn thing is settled with the FAQ we should move on to other discussions.... I really like Arjac and had him in my list until I received counsel which changed it. He needs to be in something that will be able to receive the kitchen sink, the golden throne or anything else the enemy will throw at him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2254015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 He's great for footslogging or drop pod WG. Helps absorb wounds like nobody's business. Someone aims a melta gun or a lascannon at your Terminators, you have a 3++ save and you won't even lose a model if you fail it. Which is priceless. Unfortunately I'd take Logan and a Rune Priest before I made room for Arjac, so that's 2000pts games and above then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2254399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I have used Arjac a few times, and he's an absolute beast that really makes your opponent feel the Empeor's Wrath. I like to pod him in with 5 other WGs and although they usually take some hits, they tend to weather it fairly well. and on the next turn something will die. Incidentally, I like the load out of that DP to be: Arjac TDA AC/WC TDA Combi-Melta/Frost Blade TDA TH/SS OR WC/WC PA PP/Frost Blade PA PP/Frost Blade OR TH/SS So far I've had Arjac take out Greater Daemons, Hive Tyrants, Carnies and Daemon Princes without any trouble. I actually wish my Eldar foes would Avatars or Wraithlords more often so I caould add them to the kill tally... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2254415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Been quite happy with him, but he needs a raider - too slow on foot and his unit gets shoot up around him. I find him useful to put in an 8 man GH sqaud with a runepriest in runic armour - those additional saves make the unit so much more survivable. ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2254437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 hopefully you don't put 8 Hunters, a rune priest and Arjac in a standard landraider? Arjac is good. Probably the best character, point for point, in the wolf book imho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2254594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 oops - my bad - 7 with motw and a flamer...covers all the bases, runepriest with living lighting and murdrous hurricane ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190171-arjac-rockfistrocks/#findComment-2254597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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