Great , lets nerf our codex even more lol

[whitewolfmxc]

GW SW codex got a

"updated version" of the new SW FAQ

 

the ONLY thing changed from the few days old version is this :

 

Q. Picture this: My Grey Hunters unit including

Ragnar Blackmane is assaulted and makes a

successful Leadership test to Counter-attack. Do

they then benefit from his Furious Charge ability

(+1 S and +1 I)? Also, can the original assaulter

then deploy defensive grenades to rob the Space

Wolves of their Counter-attack bonus?

 

A. The Counter-attack special rule only confers

the +1 assault bonus and no other advantages

normally associated with assaulting. Therefore

Ragnar’s unit does not benefit from Furious

Charge. Also, we think it is a bit rich for an

assaulting unit to get the bonus for attacking and

defending, so no, defensive grenades cannot be

used to negate the bonus attack from counterattacking

 

 

 

THANKS GW, not only did you have 1/3 of the FAQ that actually Nerfs the Codex , but also fail to fix the other mistakes in the FAQ SUCH AS not deleting double entries on storm caller and adding a bit more clearity to some rules such as saga of the hunter with OBEL or Canis NOT having rending on lightening claws ? you serious ??? , nor adding new quesstions that can be answered easily and a lot of people that wants to know (such as was WG not being able to attach to skyclaws a oversight / Rockfists throwing hammer issue)

 

 

PS: Well , at least now we dont have the Straken with guard blob plus presit combo anymore due to this lol i guess its a good thing ??? ............sign.........

 

 

PPS: sidenote , the change was proberly due to public attention , so maybe if us SW players have more say in this for say sending letters to GW (well nice try anyway) or have BOLS comments or even a article , some of the un asnwered questions might get GW attention and actually (or finally) be asnwered or clarified ? lol just a thought

 

 

Note : And to all those who dont really know what i was meant to say about the topic , reread my post closer to see if you could have a second though XD or read this post 12

[Max_Dammit]

dont get why your so mad, so making Ragnar a bit less vicious nerfs the whole dex?

[Brother Ariman]

I don't see a problem with this furious charge is suppose to represent just that a charge toward enemy lines at breakneck speeds not the ninja like reflexes that counter attack represents.

[wolf2.3]

Yeah. We can now have frost blades on our TDA H.Q's! :) :) ;)

[styx]

I don't see what the problem is. It is not a nerf. If they allowed CA+FC, then they would have to allow the Guard and Nids to do the same! They saw a serious error and fixed it. It's not a perfect world but hey at least they did something right.

[Gentlemanloser]

WooT!

 

Quick correction of that seriously lop sided and stupid ruling! :)

 

Great work GW! :)

[Lord Ragnarok]

Firstly, keep this thread civil.

Secondly, yes, not a nerf at all. We have plenty of goodies and gained some with the FAQ (logan Relentless, DPing for example)

[Brother Nihm]

1. They fixed this glaring mistake (yes, it's a mistake) with a heretofore unprecedented speed.

2. You got an updated FAQ.

3. It didn't nerf the Codex in any way, it balanced it.

4. The SW Codex is still top tier, there's no need to get worked up about. + you didn't get any of your models invalidated.

 

Happy killing! :)

[Rayray]

not to mention we don't need templars using banners to stack the rules

[Quillen]

I can only find the original one. Where is this new version making our charactors worse located. In the searches it's all the original wording. Are you sure it's not whiners tring to make the rules muddied? If it has that many mistakes prehaps it's not offical.

[Simo429]

what does nerf mean other than the cow like animals from star wars?

[whitewolfmxc]

XD hahahahha nobody actaully saw that i was writting the thread to be scyastic towards the fact that so many people used our FAQ towards thier own advantage , and now THIER pissed XD im just kind of ranting about that attatitude they see the rulling instead of the actual rulling itself that didnt made me mad , and the fact that GW saw that coming and still did it , and when they try to solve it , they didnt might as well fix the other FAQ issues , so yeah this proves that GW only works when theres a trillion Emails telling them just how GOOD they just made thier army by updating another army

 

(hint hint the last two PS lines are the actual focuse of the thread XD)

 

PS: Nerf means downgrade / made worst etc XD

[Lord Ragnarok]

1. They fixed this glaring mistake (yes, it's a mistake) with a heretofore unprecedented speed.

2. You got an updated FAQ.

3. It didn't nerf the Codex in any way, it balanced it.

4. The SW Codex is still top tier, there's no need to get worked up about. + you didn't get any of your models invalidated.

 

Happy killing! :)

 

I agree, except the FAQ needs more updating. I don't think they cleared up some of the "misses" from the first update. If they are going to take time to edit. take time to edit the other misses.

[Gentlemanloser]

/sigh

 

Oh well.

[The Fenrisian]

I'm not trying to be funny here, but I wasn't paying that much attention to the Ragnar bit, did it specifically say that FC would work with CA?

 

But seriously, how can you actually think that Furious Charge would stack with Counter-attack? Furious Charge specifically refers to you assaulting and CA only grants attacks *as if* you assaulted, it doesn't say you count as assaulting. It's like that stupid argument I read about how someone was arguing that cause Wolves count as assaulting with CA, they get to use their defensive grenades to nerf attacks if they assaulted SW.

 

Just no. Don't be thick, stop trying to bend the rules and play like a normal person and not an annoying gimp who needs to find excuses to beat their opposition. Think about it logically too, doesn't some army have some flashbangs (or similar) as defensive grenades? Being able to use them as they charge would be like running through a doorway whilst holding it in your hand. BOOMF! You're blind.

[Baragash]

Dec 2009

Q. Picture this: My Grey Hunters unit including Ragnar Blackmane is assaulted and makes a successful Leadership test to Counter-attack. Do they then benefit from his Furious Charge ability (+1 S and +1 I)? Also, can the original assaulter then deploy defensive grenades to rob the Space Wolves of their Counter-attack bonus?

 

A. The Counter-attack special rule states ‘all models in the unit get the +1 assault bonus to their attacks, exactly as if they too had assaulted that turn.’ Therefore Ragnar’s unit does indeed benefit from Furious Charge. Also, we think it is a bit rich for an assaulting unit to get the bonus for attacking and defending, so no, defensive grenades cannot be used to negate the bonus attack from counter-attacking.

[Commissar Volker]

I can't find the update on the GW website either, any chance of a linkie?

[JamesI]

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...eWolves_Jan2010

 

Q. Picture this: My Grey Hunters unit including

Ragnar Blackmane is assaulted and makes a

successful Leadership test to Counter-attack. Do

they then benefit from his Furious Charge ability

(+1 S and +1 I)? Also, can the original assaulter

then deploy defensive grenades to rob the Space

Wolves of their Counter-attack bonus?

A. The Counter-attack special rule only confers

the +1 assault bonus and no other advantages

normally associated with assaulting. Therefore

Ragnar’s unit does not benefit from Furious

Charge. Also, we think it is a bit rich for an

assaulting unit to get the bonus for attacking and

defending, so no, defensive grenades cannot be

used to negate the bonus attack from counterattacking.

[Grey Mage]

Frankly, I was somewhat shocked when they said furious charge worked with counter-attack.

 

Note that meant Banshees+Jain Zar gave FC, and several units in the IG and Nid codex got it aswell.

 

Im pleased to have it returned to a more... sensible ruling.

[Ullr Direfang]

it's a good thing i don't use the man.

[ORKILL]

I've been playing FC/CA the correct(ed) way all along. So, I don't see this as a nerf at all.

[Lord Ragnarok]

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...eWolves_Jan2010

[Brother Remus]

I find this kinda, annoying really. I'll abide to it but, 'exactly as if they too had assulted that turn.' - Counter Attack.

Kind of makes sense that since that part is in the rule, that in my eyes says, yes Furious Charge.

They should have done what they did with the Bloodclaw entry, yes Ragnar assults as he always does, but he and squad with only +1.

[Heimdal]

I`m with Grey Mage on this one.

The idea with furious counter-attacking is ludicrous.

[Wispy]

You'll be begging for this 'nerf' if you had to play IG with Straken even once. A number of players were using our FAQ as precedence for some crazy OP bull:cuss.

 

Getting FC for Space Wolves is no big deal, because you want to assault anyways... But for IG it's ludicrous.

 

 

We are plenty powerful enough, thanks. I consider the FAQ much better now that this is gone.