Great , lets nerf our codex even more lol

[Grey Mage]

You'll be begging for this 'nerf' if you had to play IG with Straken even once. A number of players were using our FAQ as precedence for some crazy OP bull:cuss.

 

Getting FC for Space Wolves is no big deal, because you want to assault anyways... But for IG it's ludicrous.

 

 

We are plenty powerful enough, thanks. I consider the FAQ much better now that this is gone.

Its not ludicrous- they were two universal rules- if they worked that way for one group, they worked that way for everyone.

[Redbaron997]

I would not say that Codex: SW has any claim to the word "Nerf" and still I consider it one of the most powerful codexs in effect/

 

Also this revision only happens to effect you if you are using Ragar and is thus limited to that particular instance.

 

Space Wolfs still have on of the best rule sets and unit options out there, almost to the point of making Codex: SMs look a bit underpowerd (though I would not make that claim myself)

 

My groups had been playing that it didnt grant the FC bonus anyways, and Ragnar and an accompanying squad still manage to have little trouble in devestating enemies in close combat.

[ReyRex]

I for one, am very impressed that GW fixed that so quickly. The SW dex is still a Great Dex.

 

I want the SkyClaw issue fixed.

 

They did Nerf Canis, :lol:! It was the only thing that made that Character actually good. Looks like my Canis is going on Ebay. Good thing I only had time to open the box and inspect it.

Rex

[Lord Ragnarok]

What nerf of canis? Unless I missed it in the 2009 FAQ he just improved by allowing re-rolls to leadership for fenrisian wolves.

 

If you are talking rending I think that was in the 2009 FAQ and I don't see it as a major loss. If you find yourself unfortunate to go against a dread(which you should avoid) you can choose to use just your rending attacks.

[Gentlemanloser]

You can't.

 

In 5th, you can no loner choose to 'turn off' a special close combat weapon and attck normally. You *must* use your Special at all times. If you have more than one special, you get to choose which you use.

 

That's it.

 

The Rending Special Rule on Canis is uterly redundant, as there is *never* an opportunity for him to use it (as it is currently ruled...).

[Wolf Guard Dan]

Man I just printed the FAQ up yesterday and numbered it and put post-it notes in my codex to refenerence the FAQ. In yesterday's FAQ it states the two do stack. Even tho, I thought it was weird when the FAQ said that to begin with.

 

Have they changed anything else?

[Redbaron997]

Id just use the model to make a thunderwolf Lord, as I prefer that anyways.

[nurglespuss]

I'm really happy that:

 

A: Space Wolves finally became accessible to me as a non-powergamer, unbalanced army-codex,

B: The new codex feels great, yes it has a few minor errors, but nothing that really influenced bame play, but you could tell, whoever wrote it, really enjoyed doing so.

C: The FAQ (that cleared up ~50% of things) came out bloomin' quickly, showing that 'the man' wasn't afraid to show he'd need to clarify things a little more.

D: I'm one of those players that loves special character models and fluff, but would never dream of table topping them, this codex does not penalise you for doing this (unlike the current Space Marine codex's).

[Wispy]

You'll be begging for this 'nerf' if you had to play IG with Straken even once. A number of players were using our FAQ as precedence for some crazy OP bull:cuss.

 

Getting FC for Space Wolves is no big deal, because you want to assault anyways... But for IG it's ludicrous.

 

 

We are plenty powerful enough, thanks. I consider the FAQ much better now that this is gone.

Its not ludicrous- they were two universal rules- if they worked that way for one group, they worked that way for everyone.

That's not what I mean by ludicrous - of course both groups would be allowed to do it.

 

As a Space Wolves player, if you have Ragnar, you want to get the charge anyways. I was pretty neutral towards it because, hey, I'm going to do everything in power to get that charge.

 

But with IG, the prospect that a large number of IG that could sit around, in front of their big tanks constantly shooting, waiting for marines to charge them, and then respond to that charge with I4 and I5... Well, that doesn't feel right. They're IG, not Space Marines. Plus certain IG units get defensive grenades? It'd of more value to them to sit and shoot and get assaulted then to assault themselves.

 

 

So yeah, thank god for the ruling.

[Lord Ragnarok]

You can't.

 

In 5th, you can no loner choose to 'turn off' a special close combat weapon and attck normally. You *must* use your Special at all times. If you have more than one special, you get to choose which you use.

 

That's it.

 

The Rending Special Rule on Canis is uterly redundant, as there is *never* an opportunity for him to use it (as it is currently ruled...).

 

Well, even with rending he should never be near tanks IMHO. He, and the wolves he accompanies, should be pure infantry killers. If armor comes into play a TW should be around him with Thammer and SS some dread/tank busting.

[whitewolfmxc]

What nerf of canis? Unless I missed it in the 2009 FAQ he just improved by allowing re-rolls to leadership for fenrisian wolves.

 

If you are talking rending I think that was in the 2009 FAQ and I don't see it as a major loss. If you find yourself unfortunate to go against a dread(which you should avoid) you can choose to use just your rending attacks.

 

 

i think he was refering to he doesnt ge rending on his wolf claws , its in the faq lol which is strange becuase it is in its abilities and Codex marines have Strike as precendence

 

 

PS: opps too late XD

 

And to all those who dont really know what i was meant to say about the topic , reread my post closer to see if you could have a second though XD or read this post XD

[Wildfire]

I for one am very happy with the fact that GW responded as quickly as they have. I hope this will be a new era of GW updating FAQs and problems quickly.

[Ullr Direfang]

What nerf of canis? Unless I missed it in the 2009 FAQ he just improved by allowing re-rolls to leadership for fenrisian wolves.

 

If you are talking rending I think that was in the 2009 FAQ and I don't see it as a major loss. If you find yourself unfortunate to go against a dread(which you should avoid) you can choose to use just your rending attacks.

 

 

i think he was refering to he doesnt ge rending on his wolf claws , its in the faq lol which is strange becuase it is in its abilities and Codex marines have Strike as precendence

 

 

PS: opps too late XD

 

And to all those who dont really know what i was meant to say about the topic , reread my post closer to see if you could have a second though XD or read this post XD

 

i am not trying to add the QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ fest but, TWC even have rending as a special rule. so basically anything on a TWM is no long something i will ever use now.... at all.

[Quillen]

In all honesty it's people whining again. "Oh NO!!! Ragnar can ferosious charge on counter!!! It's so unfair!!!!" Well you see he excels at Drop Podding and to do that well he would need to counter charge on the Defence. See he is known for Drop Podding. Now Logan would be a better choice in a drop pod force. SO why take Rag? There is no point now. Not in a pod list. You would need to put him in a Land Raider now. SO he will take over a 3rd of you points. He becomes a point sink.

 

It was fine as it was. You do not charge Ragnar. You shoot Ragnar. Just like you do not charge genestealers. It's just a bad idea. The original ruling made him a really cool model to take in a pod list. Now? He is gimped. Offering nothing in a pod list. Better to take 2 weaker HQs.

 

So in my opion they screwed up yet again.

 

On the bright side I will not be buying the over priced new model of Ragnar when it comes out. No point now.

 

They had better nerf the :D out of the Blood Angels heroes. If I see that BS Init 6 6 attack vampire want to be for under 250 points I will hurt someone. The player witht he model or the moron that did not balance him.

[Max_Dammit]

What bitterness and all this for 1 char in a GAME, come on, you can work around this if you want.

[whitewolfmxc]

Im actually suprised Phill didnt gave Ragnar a assualt out of drop pod rule with him and his squad ??? that would make perfect fluff sense and the character more worth its points lol

[JamesI]

Im actually suprised Phill didnt gave Ragnar a assualt out of drop pod rule with him and his squad ??? that would make perfect fluff sense and the character more worth its points lol

That would make more sense to me than the now dead concept of furious charging counter attacks.

[Ullr Direfang]

i can't help it any more...... for every one who puts up a post complaining they get:

 

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[Wispy]

Honestly, I think this nerf has everything to do with Bell of Lost Souls IG and Tyranid "Abuse the Space Wolf ruling" batrep.

[Valerian]

I for one am very happy with the fact that GW responded as quickly as they have. I hope this will be a new era of GW updating FAQs and problems quickly.

 

One would hope so, but I believe that you give them too much credit.

 

Im actually suprised Phill didnt gave Ragnar a assualt out of drop pod rule with him and his squad ??? that would make perfect fluff sense and the character more worth its points lol

 

I agree, that would have been a good rule for him. I'd even have preferred it to his granting Furious Charge to his unit.

 

Honestly, I think this nerf has everything to do with Bell of Lost Souls IG and Tyranid "Abuse the Space Wolf ruling" batrep.

 

I don't know what the catalyst was, but I don't consider it to be a "nerf", instead I believe that they reconsidered what had been a bad call initially, and in an unprecedented move - they actually fixed it.

 

V

[Gentlemanloser]

And importantly, quickly.

 

Before it got established in many Armies (SW, IG, Nids, Eldar), and the outcry at 'nerfing' all said armies would be too much for GW to bear...