ttocsmot2000 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 How come BA are supposedly all gonna get Furious Charge when the Space Wolves dont...? were space vikings how do we not have furious charge anyway...we should at least have a Drunken Charge rule... arrrgh they better not make BA too amazing therefore making the wolves redundant... i will not be pleased Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 LOL, blood angels are one of the purely assaulting (or at least very strongly assault themed) armies, its right that their darker side comes to the surface in the form of furious charge. Space Wolves have many, many excellent abilities of their own, reflecting their more mid-range-counter-attacking methods (accompayoed by infiltration and long range support). I.E. Space Wolves (despite appearances) may be space-vikings, but have a hell of a lot more common sense, and a fearsome, tactical foe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocsmot2000 Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 Yeah sadly I know you are right... although I think Drunken Charge could be a winner :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I think one of the things that gives a slight edge to us Wolves is the fact that you will be very hard pressed to always get the charge of to make the most of a unit of BA. While as we can in most instances be just as effective on the defensive as we are on the attack gives us a lot of versatility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 We are far, far, far, more flexible then the Blood Angels. Blood Angels charging Grey Hunters will be hard pressed to dislodge us, and they'll be taking a lot of fire on the approach. Not to mention uber-grit. They also have everything to lose if we steal the assault from them. They need that charge... We don't, and setting up Thunderwolves, Fenrisian Wolves to steal the charge from them would hurt them a lot. They are fast, but we can respond defensively in ways that a lot of armies just can't. Using Grey Hunters as bait to take the charge, and setting Blood Claws to charge on their own next turn... Well, that's a lot of hurt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 .... because space wolves aren't blood crazed warriors..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Big deal. Let them have their uniqueness like we have ours. Plus we are more about tactical flexibility and being good at CCW and short range firefight, which makes us excellent at CQB. I'd rather have that distinction vs very fast furious assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 i'd say it became our old friends finaly got some justice to them! it's bad enough their primarch's dead;) this release will see our halls get cleaned up a bit by all the bandwagon members and the true wolves stay. qo far i've actually no problem at all with the bloodangels (although they truely start to sound a bit theatrical imo when i read some descriptions) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 What is CQB? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 There will have blood rage (which gives them Rage with a failed ldr test) In addition they dont have our ultra grit, or acute senses. In all I think SW are still on top, but i think it fits them and welcome our more bloodthirsty brethern. Keep in mind out last codex about us hunting as an organized back, and not a bunch of blood thirsty berzerkers...aka we are better :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glsn Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Close Quarters Battle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 close quarters something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 What is CQB? Sorry Close Quarter Battle. Which includes all things short range. Fists, claws, knives, bolt pistols, rapid fire plasma, meltas, flamers, counter attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I'm a Son of Russ to the core, but i've always respected the Sons of Sanguinis as well. As far as them being a bunch of bloodthirsty berzerkers, that's somewhat inaccurate. The 'berzerker' types are the Death Company, who have fallen prey to the Black Rage. Some non-DC Blood Angels can be momentarily overtaken by the Red Thirst, which is when you'll see them drink the blood of their enemies. While the Black Rage is pretty much a permanent 'derangement' that they can succumb to, the Red Thirst is something that can come and go. Other than these flaws in their character, the Blood Angels are actually a very cultural-conscious chapter. If you haven't already read the Blood Angel novels, I would recommend doing so. I found them to be entertaining and insightful. Personally, I would love to fight on the same battlefield as a company of Blood Angels whether they're allies or enemies at the time. I can't wait for the codex release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Agreed Hallbjorn, BA's are my second favorite divergent chapter and Sanguinius is my 2nd favorite primarch. (what's not to love about a Blood Thirster slaying bad mama jama who Horus even admits is better then himself in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I know they arent, i was just qouting the last SW codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I've always thought that if I started collecting another marine army, it would very likely be Blood Angels. The only thing that keeps me from doing it is that a good friend of mine really wants to have a Blood Angels army and with the eventual update, i'll probably be helping him collect models for that. We've always talked about fielding my Wolves and his Angels in a game or two when he gets them. I think it would be a force to be reckoned with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderpup Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I've always thought that if I started collecting another marine army, it would very likely be Blood Angels. The only thing that keeps me from doing it is that a good friend of mine really wants to have a Blood Angels army and with the eventual update, i'll probably be helping him collect models for that. We've always talked about fielding my Wolves and his Angels in a game or two when he gets them. I think it would be a force to be reckoned with. I'm in the same boat as you Hallbjorn. Shortly after April, I'm sure my friend and I will be pushing for more 2 on 2 tournaments with our group. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Actually, way back in 2e when I was switching from IG to marines, I wanted to play BA. But my friend bought the 'dex first and started painting them up, so I switched to Space Wolves instead. I was pretty annoyed at the time, but soon realized that the SW 'dex was far superior to the Angels 'dex back then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Blood Angels are balanced nicely it would seem. They are a facade. A trick of the light. They appear to be deadly in assault, but once they get in they are over-priced and vulnerable. We will be able to grind them out via attrition. We get Counter Attack, so while they might be hitting first if the BA don't break us with that initial wave of charges then we're taking the win with numbers. I mean how many points do you think a unit with frostblades and storm bolters in jump packs is going to cost? PLENTY. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone 66 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 How come BA are supposedly all gonna get Furious Charge when the Space Wolves dont...? were space vikings how do we not have furious charge anyway...we should at least have a Drunken Charge rule... arrrgh they better not make BA too amazing therefore making the wolves redundant... i will not be pleased Drunken charge? I like that. Weapon skill drops to 1 adds D6 attacks and a chance for them to hit themself, another unit, or fall flat on their face. Great idea! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 How come BA are supposedly all gonna get Furious Charge when the Space Wolves dont...? were space vikings how do we not have furious charge anyway...we should at least have a Drunken Charge rule... arrrgh they better not make BA too amazing therefore making the wolves redundant... i will not be pleased SWs are not redundant, and never will be. We are the agressive defence, the shield wall, the swift raiders. BA are the rapier blade, harrassers, bezerkergang. Counter-attack and Furious Charge are very very different rules, and they both show our armies strengths. Well have very different playstyles after the new dex comes out, just like we do now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenger Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 well its funny that its sposta be the tyranids time but i see more stuff about BA, now i know this is a Marine site but im saying on other forums as well. When i started playing, Blood angels were the group i wanted but my buddy played them so i wanted to mix it up so we could have an array of forces. I even had a small force back in 3rd with Lemartes, just liked the fluff of flawed marine with the urge to engage up close and personal and also they had the only 2 fisted dread. they had gimmics and now id expect them to gain a few more. The rumor of this Lander isnt so off base, as we got Twolves. Probably see a couple new character additions, we know Moriar the chosen, probably going to have a FnP rule similar to our Inv save on Bjorn. going to go on a limb but he probably allows the Dreads to take up Elite, and FA/Heavy slots. Im not looking forward to them gaining Furious Charge but if they also gain additional CCW upgrades or True Grit(3 weps) like our 3rd edition Dex id be disapointed. The stuff that made us unique was scaled down we have fancy models, gained :cussty characters, lost a tank. lost the ability to run multiple power weapon/fist troop squads, gained additional shooting weapons(weak). lost attackbike squads gained thunderwolves, yippie :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 How come BA are supposedly all gonna get Furious Charge when the Space Wolves dont...? were space vikings how do we not have furious charge anyway...we should at least have a Drunken Charge rule... arrrgh they better not make BA too amazing therefore making the wolves redundant... i will not be pleased Drunken charge? I like that. Weapon skill drops to 1 adds D6 attacks and a chance for them to hit themself, another unit, or fall flat on their face. Great idea! I for one would like that :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone 66 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 How come BA are supposedly all gonna get Furious Charge when the Space Wolves dont...? were space vikings how do we not have furious charge anyway...we should at least have a Drunken Charge rule... arrrgh they better not make BA too amazing therefore making the wolves redundant... i will not be pleased Drunken charge? I like that. Weapon skill drops to 1 adds D6 attacks and a chance for them to hit themself, another unit, or fall flat on their face. Great idea! I for one would like that :lol: Me too, was my girlfriend's idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190306-arrrgghh/#findComment-2255803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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