Thunderpup Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 When a Geneseed is forever lost, be it from incineration, theft, whatever, how is it replaced? If the answer is, "It can't be" then are the legions of the Imperium doomed to inevitable extinction? I got to wondering about this after finishing up "Sons of Fenris" in which the forces of the Thousand Sons stole many geneseeds from both the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves. I would think over the coarse of 10,000 years many have been lost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 When a Geneseed is forever lost, be it from incineration, theft, whatever, how is it replaced? If the answer is, "It can't be" then are the legions of the Imperium doomed to inevitable extinction? I got to wondering about this after finishing up "Sons of Fenris" in which the forces of the Thousand Sons stole many geneseeds from both the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves. I would think over the coarse of 10,000 years many have been lost. Read up here: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gene-seed Geneseed are always being replenished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2255780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderpup Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Ahah. Thank you very much. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2255783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Short answer, every SM creates 2 batches and can be harvested before death if need be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2255791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 There has been some Chapters that have had to avoid going into the field to replenish thier losses in the Horus Heresy fluff. Rebuilding a chapter almost wiped out is sometimes almost an impossible task. The old fluff for the Scythes of the Emperor comes to mind, a Tyranid horde destroyed all but 3 of the chapter I think in the fluff written for them long ago. It was said they was put into stasis and their glands was harvested as they attempted to rebuild the chapter, keeping other new hosts in statis also to keep growing new glands to create more. The fluff states it can take a long, long time before a chapter can be rebuilt. Some other tragic reading is the Lamentors, Mantis Warriors and Flesh Tearers. Each are in a backslide that is making it impossible to repenish their #s and will no doubt fade into nothing or eventually retired from the field to rebuild like the Scythes... The only known chapter of the Wolves was the "Wolf Brothers" and that was doomed to failure due to a problem with the canis gene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 There has been some Chapters that have had to avoid going into the field to replenish thier losses in the Horus Heresy fluff. Rebuilding a chapter almost wiped out is sometimes almost an impossible task. The old fluff for the Scythes of the Emperor comes to mind, a Tyranid horde destroyed all but 3 of the chapter I think in the fluff written for them long ago. It was said they was put into stasis and their glands was harvested as they attempted to rebuild the chapter, keeping other new hosts in statis also to keep growing new glands to create more. The fluff states it can take a long, long time before a chapter can be rebuilt. Each Marine will grow 2 sets of new Geneseed; the first will mature and be ready for harvest at 5 years, and the second will be mature and ready for harvest at 10 years. Replenishing Marines after losses is slow, but it is exponential. Let's take, for example, a Chapter that has been decimated (down to 100 Marines from about 1,000). If those 100 Marines stay out of campaigns to minimize losses, they can be back up to 1,000 in about 20 years. This process could be sped up if the Adeptus Mechanicus contributes some of their stores of the Geneseed tithe back to the Chapter for it to rebuild. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 3 6 12 24 48 96 192 384 768 1536 So about 45 to 90 years to replenish from 3 individuals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 36 12 24 48 96 192 384 768 1536 So about 45 to 90 years to replenish from 3 individuals. which in the life of a chapter is not that long a wait Although I thought they only produced one set of geneseed. One to be harvested and on that stayed with the marine inside only harvested when the marine dies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Karulfr Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The other issue is that of Apothecaries. No Apothecaries, no one to harvest and administer the gene seed. This happened to the Celestial Lions during the 3rd Armageddon campaign. Space Marines don't trust outsiders (even other chapters) to do it for them. New rule for the Codex Astartes... never send all of you Apothecaries into battle at the same time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 There has been some Chapters that have had to avoid going into the field to replenish thier losses in the Horus Heresy fluff. Rebuilding a chapter almost wiped out is sometimes almost an impossible task. The old fluff for the Scythes of the Emperor comes to mind, a Tyranid horde destroyed all but 3 of the chapter I think in the fluff written for them long ago. It was said they was put into stasis and their glands was harvested as they attempted to rebuild the chapter, keeping other new hosts in statis also to keep growing new glands to create more. The fluff states it can take a long, long time before a chapter can be rebuilt. Some other tragic reading is the Lamentors, Mantis Warriors and Flesh Tearers. Each are in a backslide that is making it impossible to repenish their #s and will no doubt fade into nothing or eventually retired from the field to rebuild like the Scythes... The only known chapter of the Wolves was the "Wolf Brothers" and that was doomed to failure due to a problem with the canis gene. Or Russ throwing in a monkey wrench. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Wait... what? You mean Russ might have taken all the known wulfen and lumped together into one chapter when forced by politics and his brothers fear into splitting his legion in a way that seemed a betrayal of the emperors vision? WHAT???? No way, never, nu-uh. Russ would never do something so... intellegent. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 36 12 24 48 96 192 384 768 1536 So about 45 to 90 years to replenish from 3 individuals. It is not quite that simple since each Marine can only contribute a maximum of two Geneseed. So starting at 3 you could have 6 at five years, then 12 at ten years. After that the original 3 no longer double, but continue to count toward the total, so at 15 years you would only have 21 Marines and at 20 years a total of 33, etc. Also, the second Progenoid can be removed at 10 years; they don't have to stay in until the Marine dies. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dont forget failed implants in this equation, For every successful implant there are also unsuccessful ones Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dont forget failed implants in this equation, For every successful implant there are also unsuccessful ones True, and also Marines that die during Initiation process/rituals and also during training. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190325-geneseed-question/#findComment-2256665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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