Special Weapons on MoTW

[wolf363839]

Based on the wording in the codex, it seems like we can use a single Grey Hunter model to have both a Flamer and MoTW, for example. Just wanted to know if this is the same interpretation you all come to.

 

I like the idea fluff-wise: think about a guy on the verge of madness trying to aim a bolter vs giving him an area effect weapon designed for close-up fighting like a flamer.

 

You could also do this with a plasma gun or meltagun, but it doesn't make as much sense for the fluff of it.

 

Thoughts???

[Thunderpup]

Yes, you can do this.

 

I don't do it though. I'd rather it take two unsaved wounds to kill my flamer and MotW than just one unsaved wound.

[neonwolf]

I don't use MotW in my Grey Hunter packs but I do in my Wolf Scout squad, and I give my MotW Scout a Melta gun. This way I don't lose any attacks on that scout...and possibly gain some.

[Tybrus]

You "Can" but if you do , then your the same guy that put a Sgt. In Termi Armor with your scouts in 4th ed cause the codex said you could do that too...

 

If you want to win like that, that is all you. As a Wolf Player I have more honor then to pull something like this. I also try and live up to my Sagas, I don't mount Canis on a Titan Size base, I don't tug on supermans cape, and I don't spit into the wind...

[dizzy-xc]

Yeah! Er... cough cough.

[Grimtooth]

You "Can" but if you do , then your the same guy that put a Sgt. In Termi Armor with your scouts in 4th ed cause the codex said you could do that too...

 

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to get across here. Care to explain?

[Stormbrow II]

Yes, you can do this.

 

I don't do it though. I'd rather it take two unsaved wounds to kill my flamer and MotW than just one unsaved wound.

 

Yes you can. Whether it is a good thing to do tactically is another matter entirely. Nothing against the rules or sports with it.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

You "Can" but if you do , then your the same guy that put a Sgt. In Termi Armor with your scouts in 4th ed cause the codex said you could do that too...

 

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to get across here. Care to explain?

 

I believe the implication is that people who would do so go against the fluff of the Wolves of Russ, and that it is not an hnonourable thing to do...

 

If you want to do it, do so.. There are reasons already mentioned why its not always a clever idea but you can do it, so choose! :mellow:

[wolf363839]

For all the holier-than-thou folks who have replied: I already explained how I balance tactics with fluff, this was a simple rules question. And in my 18 years playing wolves I have never attached a terminator to scouts. Assumptions reveal more about those making them than they do about the subject of their ire...

[TheLastHuzzah]

You "Can" but if you do , then your the same guy that put a Sgt. In Termi Armor with your scouts in 4th ed cause the codex said you could do that too...

 

Overreact a bit?

 

I was never one to put a term sgt with scouts in 4th, but this is really a personal choice. As has been stated, it's within the rules but the risk is him dying and lose clawing and purifying goodness. Following the same logic, I still fire my MotW GH bolter, does your MotW scout have a gun and use it?

 

-Huzzah

[Hfran Morkai]

For all the holier-than-thou folks who have replied: I already explained how I balance tactics with fluff, this was a simple rules question. And in my 18 years playing wolves I have never attached a terminator to scouts. Assumptions reveal more about those making them than they do about the subject of their ire...

 

Indeed, it's a bit of fun people.

 

I don't see how it offers a tactical advantage, in fact I see a downside of putting 45 points into that single model but some people want to have more fun with the background and stories than winning at all costs.

 

If you were to suggest MotW and Power Weapon though I might have been persuaded to discourage you.

[Tybrus]

You "Can" but if you do , then your the same guy that put a Sgt. In Termi Armor with your scouts in 4th ed cause the codex said you could do that too...

 

Overreact a bit?

 

I was never one to put a term sgt with scouts in 4th, but this is really a personal choice. As has been stated, it's within the rules but the risk is him dying and lose clawing and purifying goodness. Following the same logic, I still fire my MotW GH bolter, does your MotW scout have a gun and use it?

 

-Huzzah

 

My MoTW trrops use no range weapons but that is just me, and my take on the fluff see my other posts). What I am saying is that I feel it is SO aganist the fluff to do so as to put a bad taste in my mouth. SO much so it reminds me of the people who did the termir/scout thing (Not that this is the same).

 

You have a Marine so over come by the wolf that he uses his claws and teeth to tear and claw at his foes without reguard for anything else he might have on had, to the point of it being a power weapon, thunderhammer what not (Per the rules those items get ingored by the MoTW with his attacks). That said, why would he be clear headed enough to use a Meltagun, or Plasma, or even flamer? I don't think they would, they would be simply tyring to get to clow and tooth with what is out there (Again IMHO). I feel that if you are trying to put the Weapon on the MoTW it is simply for power gaming in an attempt to hide both items on a single model that you will be less likly to be forced to makke take saves, as more "normal" marines will be in the squad as "Soak". That flys in the face of the fluff to gain an advantage on the table, that to me is poor sportmenship.

 

Now, if you want to do the same thing but stay in the fluff try having a Powerweapon/Standard/Meltagun guy, a meltagun trooper, a plasmapistol trooper, and a MoTW trooper and 6 meatcans. Fits the fluff 100%, and gives you 6 expendable troops before you have to take the hit.

 

Power Gaming is Cheating to me pure and simple, which is why I refuse to play events. Anyway, those are my thoughts you asked for thoughts and you got mine, for what they are worth, take or leave them. If you must power game, try the option I posted above, at least it won't fly in the face of the fluff, it gives you want you are looking for, and won't make Wolf Players look cheep...

[Sarapham]

My MoTW trrops use no range weapons but that is just me, and my take on the fluff see my other posts). What I am saying is that I feel it is SO aganist the fluff to do so as to put a bad taste in my mouth. SO much so it reminds me of the people who did the termir/scout thing (Not that this is the same).

 

So you dont even shoot with the bolter/bolt pistol he comes with from the start?

 

And does it not say in the codex that he is only overcome by the bloodlust while in closecombat.. as its not a true manifestation of the wulfen. I mean even GW marks the mark of the wulfen with just a red stripe over a guys face (as opposed to a 13th co wulfen) and then gives him a PP in a picture if I`m not mistaken. Sure some of those pics show illegal stuff but it still means GW has had the thought in mind,

[Hfran Morkai]

But in previous fluff those marked were culled from the Great Companies, I'm not sure I'd like to be part of a pack with a raging beast.

[the jeske]

hat said, why would he be clear headed enough to use a Meltagun, or Plasma, or even flamer?

because the rules say so ??

[Sarapham]

But in previous fluff those marked were culled from the Great Companies, I'm not sure I'd like to be part of a pack with a raging beast.

 

 

Sure I could see that, I think its just harsh with Tybrus calling it cheating when its a full well thing to do. If the pure fluff/rules thought of to make a dude with MotW unable to use a gun it would said so in the rules along the lines of "a model can replace his standard weapons with MotW, a model with Motw may never use a weapon either ranged or CC..." or such.

[Hfran Morkai]

But in previous fluff those marked were culled from the Great Companies, I'm not sure I'd like to be part of a pack with a raging beast.

 

 

Sure I could see that, I think its just harsh calling it cheating when its a full well thing to do. If the pure fluff/rules thought of to make a dude with MotW unable to use a gun it would said so in the rules along the lines of "a model can replace his standard weapons with MotW, a model with Motw may never use a weapon either ranged or CC..." or such.

 

I'm not calling it cheating, it's part of our codex, I made a personal decision not to use it. I was countering a point about someone who was marked shouldn't be given the special weapon.

 

You can do whatever you like as long as the codex allows it.

 

The point of this game is to have fun and we do it in different ways.

[Sarapham]

But in previous fluff those marked were culled from the Great Companies, I'm not sure I'd like to be part of a pack with a raging beast.

 

 

Sure I could see that, I think its just harsh calling it cheating when its a full well thing to do. If the pure fluff/rules thought of to make a dude with MotW unable to use a gun it would said so in the rules along the lines of "a model can replace his standard weapons with MotW, a model with Motw may never use a weapon either ranged or CC..." or such.

 

I'm not calling it cheating, it's part of our codex, I made a personal decision not to use it. I was countering a point about someone who was marked shouldn't be given the special weapon.

 

You can do whatever you like as long as the codex allows it.

 

The point of this game is to have fun and we do it in different ways.

 

 

Yeah sorry did not mean to suggest you calling it cheating but was refering to Tybrus.

[Tybrus]

Yes for me My MoTW never take shots, no pistols, no bolters, mine are not even modled to have them (again see my toehr post as my take on MoTW is differnt then then norm).

 

I didn't say it was cheating, I say I "FEEL" it is cheating, and as such would never do it. Much like messing around on your wife or GF, some people do and some don't I don't judge I just don't do it.

 

 

Like I said some things just feel wrong to me, and this is one of them. I won't fight over rules, the rules say you can do. Then again like I said the rules say that in 4th Ed you can have a termi sarge with your scouts. If you want to fight pure RAW then don't complaine when a Sgt. in Termi armor with a Sniper rifle with his scouts (This is making a point it can't happen in 5th ed now I think) kills your MoTW that has a Meltagun. That is all I am saying =)

 

Those who live in Cheese House should throw no Chedder!!!

[Thunderpup]

The current Fluff goes... "Mark of the Wulfen is a corruption of the Canis Helix that can cause the bearer to devolve into a killing mashine when the battle frenzy is upon him." C:SW pg62

 

These brothers aren't wild animals to be locked in cages. They're "Wolf-bitten." The beast within is a little stronger in them than others. Most of the time they are as calm and rational and thinking as the next Space Wolf. Sometimes they aren't. This is represented in the Close Combat Rules. Neither the rules OR the fluff make any penalty towards ranged attacks. In truth it would be easy to explain how a Marked brother comes to carry the units flamer since all Space Wolves hold to the same oaths, duties, and responsibilities, regardless if they're marked or not.

 

Cheers,

 

Pup

[Sarapham]

The current Fluff goes... "Mark of the Wulfen is a corruption of the Canis Helix that can cause the bearer to devolve into a killing mashine when the battle frenzy is upon him." C:SW pg62

 

These brothers aren't wild animals to be locked in cages. They're "Wolf-bitten." The beast within is a little stronger in them than others. Most of the time they are as calm and rational and thinking as the next Space Wolf. Sometimes they aren't. This is represented in the Close Combat Rules. Neither the rules OR the fluff make any penalty towards ranged attacks. In truth it would be easy to explain how a Marked brother comes to carry the units flamer since all Space Wolves hold to the same oaths, duties, and responsibilities, regardless if they're marked or not.

 

Cheers,

 

Pup

 

 

Very well said.

[Niiai]

Don't listen to Tyrbus. :-)

 

Yes you can take a flamer and a mark of the wolfen on the same model. Just make shure that you fasten his flamer with a chain around the next so that he remembers that he has if after his battlefrny ends. ;)

 

It would be hard to model though I think. You can use count as but I would sugets givvig him the crazy hair. <_<

 

The downside is that if you take 10 hits from a shott and don't make the save then you lose both the mark and the flamer. :D

[wolf363839]

Well I didn't think this would generate this much discussion, but I'm glad everybody's giving their $.02. After all the tactics discussions I may not give my MoTW a flamer after all, but I'm stickin' to my guns that a flamer is a very aggressive and easy to aim/use weapon that fits the fluff of a would-be wulfen. To each his own, keep kickin' butt guys.

[Sarapham]

Well I didn't think this would generate this much discussion, but I'm glad everybody's giving their $.02. After all the tactics discussions I may not give my MoTW a flamer after all, but I'm stickin' to my guns that a flamer is a very aggressive and easy to aim/use weapon that fits the fluff of a would-be wulfen. To each his own, keep kickin' butt guys.

 

 

hehe yeah I feel abit the same with meltas. Sure they are ruleswise safe but I think it takes a special kind of man to lug around with a portable nuclear fusion aparatus, and to be that one that tries to shoot a battletank from just a few feet away.

[rodgambit]

I have 2 wulfen that are firing bolt pistols so I just shaved off the front and made it into a melta pistol for my wolf scouts. Then I can choose to run him as a melta guy or motw or a combination of the two.