WH multi laser

[panbient]

here's the thing though. it's NOT listed in the summary page, nor in the FAQ, seems the editors goofed and listed Mortar stats instead. so while the option to field a Chimera with multi lasers is clear in the book - there are no stats. nor is the GW summary reference .pdf any different than the codex (sitting in my lap - first print). there's also no vehicle in the WH codex that can actually use Mortar.

 

should we just use the IG stats for multilasers? or can we use a blast template for 'multilas' shots since that's the stat line GW listed in the book at the spot where it should be describing pew pews. (or more accurately pew pew pew :rolleyes: )

 

i don't want stats, i can find plenty on the GW site. i want to know my options when i decide to field a Chimera for my stormtroopers.

 

i can't believe this issue went 7 years without being noticed. then again i'd normally go with a heavy bolter instead.

[ValourousHeart]

I am really surprised that two different mods closed these posts without even bothering to 1. check the codex to see if they were actually quoting the right answer and 2. without even really reading the topic to find out why there was a double posting of it.

 

Isn't the point of these forums to help less experienced players.

First off, just because your a mod doesn't mean you automatically know all of the answers nor does it mean that you can just assume you know what someone is looking for with suffering the same fate as the rest of us who assume.

 

And second of all just because the rest of us are not mods doesn't mean that we are stupid or illiterate.

We do look for answers but sometimes either can't find them or over look them.

But to tell someone to check the codex again after they have told you it isn't there TWICE is just plain lazy on your part.

If you don't want to take the time to add something useful to the community, do us all a favor and step down.

 

Now back to the posters question.

You are correct the stats for the multi-laser are not listed in C:W.

I can't believe no one else noticed this either after all of this time.

 

Fortunately, for us all the multi laser has only one generally accepted stat line (as opposed to the assault cannon... poor DH)

The stats for the multi laser can be found in C:IG but obviously the cost, options, stats and upgrades for the chimera are all listed in C:WH.

[King Tiger]

We do look for answers but sometimes either can't find them or over look them.

don't forget to mention that the search function which everyone is so eager to plug, usually finds nothing on the topic your looking for, or in allot of cases just finds literally, nothing at all, Nada, zip, 0, of course if you ever tell anyone this they tell you your not using it properly, or your just wrong.

 

ruleswise though technically the multi laser can't fire, as stats from one book can't be used to replace the ones not in another book.

 

house rules wise you just do what makes common sense, although you then hit the problem of allot of opponents fail to have any, and they can just decline your house rules.

 

or you can wait for GW to actually print a useful FAQ, but don't expect it since they don't care about the Hunter forces

[number6]

Firstly, we moderators are human and DO make mistakes. I apologize for any offense I have caused with my closing of the topic.

 

Secondly, as you surely know, I'm far more conversant with the DH codex than the WH codex. (Though of course I own both.) And I know the ML is in the DH codex. I concede it didn't occur to me to actually check the WH reference as a backup because ... well, for my games, even when I use the WH, I really have no need to look at it. So I hope you can see how I might be confused as to why you (generically) wouldn't have thought to look it up there. I am honestly flabbergasted that it's not in the WH reference.

 

Thirdly, it seems to me that fuzbuckle's helpful reference to GW's website should have been enough to prompt proper research on the part of anybody wanting to look up the ML stats. Anybody that would refuse you to use either DH or the IG stats (at the very least) would be asking for a fight. Speaking of which:

 

DH reference sheet

IG reference sheet

 

This ain't the DH assault cannon we're talking about here. ;) If someone wants to tell you that you can't use the ML because no stats are in the WH codex, you have my permission to call them nasty names.

 

Fourthly, I won't allow this to turn into a gripe-fest, either at the B&C, the mod team, nor at GW. "Productive discussion" is the order of the day and the rule of law here on the B&C. If you have a problem with decisions we moderators make, please bring it up with the B&C admins. It's their job to kick our butts and keep us in line when we overstep or misuse our authority.

 

Finally, I wish to repeat my sincere apologies for any misunderstandings my actions have caused in this matter. I hope you understand that it was an honest mistake made out of ignorance.

 

Now ... back to smiting enemies of the Glorious Imperium of Man. :)

[ArmouredWing]

Go easy on the mods guys, chances are that they both were pretty sure that the stats were in the summary section and, lets face it, how often has this been noticed by the rest of us?

 

Thing to remember is that the =][= mods are some of the easier going mods here and it's a rare thing that they close threads here at all. On first appearances it looked like the original thread was asking for rules, it wasn't but it was an easy mistake to make.

 

As for the multi laser rules? Didn't someone say that they could be found on the DH reference sheet linked to GW? If not use the IG stats, you'd be hard pressed to find an opponent who'd not agree to play you using those rules.

[Kurgan the Lurker]

don't forget to mention that the search function which everyone is so eager to plug, usually finds nothing on the topic your looking for, or in allot of cases just finds literally, nothing at all, Nada, zip, 0, of course if you ever tell anyone this they tell you your not using it properly, or your just wrong.

 

Usually because that is the case.

 

There are 3 forms of search here.

 

Simple (by just using the drop down that appears when you click Search)

Normal (link that comes up from clicking Search)

Advanced (the more options button from normal)

 

They all work in the manner they are intended to. If you aren't using the Advanced features (which is just like using google or any other search engine) or you are using vague, common terms on the others you are going to get out if the amount of effort you put in.

 

There is the B&C101 thread on the search engines:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=125671

 

and the basic IPB help page on search:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...E=01&HID=10

 

as well if you are still having issues.

[Eddie Orlock]

You know, I was going to reply with to the first thread with the following:

Name Class Range RoF Dam Pen Clip Rld Special wT Cost Availability

MultiLaser Heavy 250m -/-/10 3d10 E 4 60 3Full _ 50kg 2,000 Scarce

but our ever vigilant mods ninja'd it closed in the time it took me to type that. Less than a minute, a credit to their trade.

 

The second post was going to get

Short Long Short Long Strength Damage Modifier Penetration Special

0-20 20-60 +1 - 6 D4 -1 D6+D4+6 Sustained Fire - 3Dice, Move or Fire

Somewhere in there there would have been some snide comments about owning your reference materials and which edition were you playing. The attitude that the multi-lasers stats should have been intuitive stems from the not-too-recently departed era of common stats. A time when a Bolter was a Bolter, a shuriken catapult was a shuriken catapult, and an assault cannon was an assault cannon and it didn't matter whether they were wielded by a Chaos marine or an Ork, a Guardian or a Dire Avenger, Sergeant Chronos or a Grey Knight Gunner.

 

To the detriment of the clarity of the system for new players, this era has passed.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Firstly, my apologies for any animosity this issue may have caused. A qualifier, from Saturday until Tuesday I was home sick with a fever, a feverish 6 month old, and a feverish wife, so I'm still getting my brainpower and sleep back from that episode. Suffice it to say I'm mostly there but as Number6 stated, we are but simple humans.

 

In my own defense, the original post did not clarify anything about having tried to look in a Codex, which of the two Inquisition Codices may have been referenced (WH or DH) if any, or anything about having looked and not found anything. Because of this I used the plural of 'Codices' in my reply as I was uncertain. To be honest, typically most discussions here seem to revolve around the DH Codex, especially once Chimeras are concerned as most WH players (myself being a strange exception) don't use IST's.

 

Part of the reason I closed the topic was to prevent anyone from accidently getting overly helpful and posting the current ML statline, which would be a direct violation of the forum rules. The rule was repeated as a helpful reminder, not intended as an attack against the original poster. This could have been phrased better by myself, but I would ask that you check the qualifier about just getting over an illness and sleep dep at the beginning of this post :woot:

 

After having closed the first topic I logged off and wasn't back on for multiple hours, during which apparently all kinds of things went down.

 

As to it not being present on the WH summary, I admit I honestly have never noticed that until now. As I've owned 3 various Imperial Guard Codices, the WH and DH Codex.. well.. I can recite the stats for it in my sleep, just like I can with lasguns, bolters, heavy bolters, psycannons, autocannons.. all the weapons that I tend to use in my armies. I don't even look at the summary sheets anymore for their statlines, and I don't think I've ever used the summary sheet in the WH Codex ever.

 

That being said, may we please leave this issue well enough alone now? I don't think trying to rehash anything is going to make a difference to the community of the board and the OI. I will attempt to do a better job of proofreading GW's work in the future and memorizing every tiny typo they put in the material instead of assuming that they'd actually put the relevant information in the place they're supposed to for their own material :cuss

[ValourousHeart]

Nicole, Number 6 & Eddie,

 

I know that we are all human.

My wife read my post as I was about to submit it... and asked if I was trying to get myself band from this site.

Now having slept on it and re-read it with clear eyes... it looks as though I was not very kind to any of you.

I will do a better job of tempering my criticism with patients.

 

Ricky

 

PS - @King Tiger... don't go there, you wouldn't like me when I am angry. That goes for bringing up non-functioning DH teleport homers as well.

[Eddie Orlock]

Nicole, Number 6 & Eddie,

While I'm very flattered that you'd place me in such august company, I assure you that despite my lengthy tenure on this forum, as an ordinary frater like yourself, I am wholly incapable of banning you.

 

Were I to share their exhaulted status as first amongst the peers I'd aspire to the highest standards of conduct. As it is, I rejoice in my ordinary status by pushing the envelope with provocative responses of the kind that would be unbecoming were I representing the beneficent institution that if the B&C. While I respect their burdens, I respect that they are burdens.

[number6]

@ValorousHeart: No harm, no foul. :lol:

 

All right now, folks. Move along. Nothing to see here.

[panbient]

yeah i never wanted to get anyone in crap. just pointing out the situation (and kind of hoping i could use laser pie plates :drool: )

[ntgcleaner]

Please banhammer me or my post if this seems "too soon" or inappropriate, but speaking of typos

and memorizing every tiny typo they put in the material

 

Has anyone noticed that Page 29 of the DH Codex for the Grey Knights Troops Special Rules says:

Grey Knights: Grey Knights are subject to the special rules detailed on page 10.

 

Page 10 just describes the "Inquisitors of the Ordo Malleus". Has this been brought up? I will honestly say I have not used the search feature detailed above, but it seems like a very insignificant thing here. It should say "detailed on page 8, right?

[Inquisitor Fox]

It should say "detailed on page 8, right?

Yes.. yes it should ;) One more for the record books...

[- 7eAL -]

You know, I was going to reply with to the first thread with the following:

Name Class Range RoF Dam Pen Clip Rld Special wT Cost Availability

MultiLaser Heavy 250m -/-/10 3d10 E 4 60 3Full _ 50kg 2,000 Scarce

but our ever vigilant mods ninja'd it closed in the time it took me to type that. Less than a minute, a credit to their trade.

 

The second post was going to get

Short Long Short Long Strength Damage Modifier Penetration Special

0-20 20-60 +1 - 6 D4 -1 D6+D4+6 Sustained Fire - 3Dice, Move or Fire

Somewhere in there there would have been some snide comments about owning your reference materials and which edition were you playing. The attitude that the multi-lasers stats should have been intuitive stems from the not-too-recently departed era of common stats. A time when a Bolter was a Bolter, a shuriken catapult was a shuriken catapult, and an assault cannon was an assault cannon and it didn't matter whether they were wielded by a Chaos marine or an Ork, a Guardian or a Dire Avenger, Sergeant Chronos or a Grey Knight Gunner.

 

To the detriment of the clarity of the system for new players, this era has passed.

Nicole, Number 6 & Eddie,

While I'm very flattered that you'd place me in such august company, I assure you that despite my lengthy tenure on this forum, as an ordinary frater like yourself, I am wholly incapable of banning you.

 

Were I to share their exhaulted status as first amongst the peers I'd aspire to the highest standards of conduct. As it is, I rejoice in my ordinary status by pushing the envelope with provocative responses of the kind that would be unbecoming were I representing the beneficent institution that if the B&C. While I respect their burdens, I respect that they are burdens.

Orlock makes my day, almost any day.