lothbrok Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 hey everyone just thought id let you all know that i butchered a guard player today in a small 820 pt match for the local campaign. my 5 thunderwolves and lord were able to sluaghter his 50 man guardsmen squad even though they had veteren abilities for feel no pain, perfered enemy, and counter charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontline989 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Good job. Take pictures next time so we can see some of the carnage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2267451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 hahaha i know a guard player who uses a nasty 50 man squad, that first rank fire, second rank fire can be a real bitch well done brother have an ale on me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2267479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tiger Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 able to sluaghter his 50 man guardsmen squad even though they had veteren abilities for feel no pain, perfered enemy, and counter charge. they had what now?, me thinks a certain guard player had made a boo boo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2267521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lothbrok Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 king tiger they had veteran abilities witch can br earned by keeping a unit alive in a custom campaign. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2267540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 so in a tiny game you took a wolf lord on a TWM, plus 5 TWC, and you managed to kill some guardsmen... wow, just wow... who woulda thunk it... imho, the fact that you spent half your points (assuming they had no other upgrades) on one unit and an IC sounds like poor list construction on your part. Was it your intention to take the most powerful unit you could in a game where chances were the IG player wouldnt have that many weapons that could kill them? Not trying to rain on your parade but to me it doesnt sound like that much of a fair fight and I personally wouldn't have enjoyed a game like that, either as the winner or loser. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2267944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Should have just shot you to pieces. T5 or not, that's still only 10 wounds in the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2267982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenmichi Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Well there's a possibility that in an 820 point match the table was probably a little on the small size so if the OP won the roll to go first, with an 18 inch charge range he was probably in close combat by turn 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2268078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojira316 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Not as impressive as it sounds since I had 20 Grey Hunters kill about 750pts of Guard in a 1000pt game. On the other hand, Thunderwolves are so awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2268462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lothbrok Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 granted that it wasnt the greatest victory of all time. but i didnt get to go first and i had played this squad before and they had somehow managed to kill all my thunderwolves becuase he fielded straken during both battles however in this most recent he was unable to get him into the combat. this whole occurence had more signifigance to me then it would normally merit becuase before this my thunderwolves have never really accomplished much and i was thinking of ditching them as a unit so it served to rekindle my belief in the awesomeness of russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2268679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 so in a tiny game you took a wolf lord on a TWM, plus 5 TWC, and you managed to kill some guardsmen... wow, just wow... who woulda thunk it... imho, the fact that you spent half your points (assuming they had no other upgrades) on one unit and an IC sounds like poor list construction on your part. Was it your intention to take the most powerful unit you could in a game where chances were the IG player wouldnt have that many weapons that could kill them? Not trying to rain on your parade but to me it doesnt sound like that much of a fair fight and I personally wouldn't have enjoyed a game like that, either as the winner or loser. Breathe, man.....breathe I'm sorry if it makes me a bad person, but if there's something in my army that i'm allowed to use then i'm going to use it no matter what. I'm getting this feeling like when I play old-school fighting games and don't pound out combo after combo. I'm accused of being a button-masher and having no skill. I'm sorry, but if it's something I wasn't meant to do or be allowed to do, then you would think I wouldn't be allowed to do it. If the guard player chose to use a bunch of bodies instead of a tank or two, then that's his choice. His choice to do that doesn't mean that I should immediately change my list to give him a better chance to beat me. Those guardsmen would not have zero chance to kill that squad. The thunderwolves aren't invincible and even a bunch of las fire can take them down. Every army has strengths and weaknesses, and if you choose not to play to your own strengths then so be it. Maybe in the eyes of some people, such a win doesn't make him a great tactician or a good sport. It's war, not checkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2268827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFlanz Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 That is hilarious, because I just had the same exact experience. What was really fun is I managed to get my lonewolf in their too and put a few JOTWW into there prior to that. For someone to say that isn't a feat is crazy. 60 guardsmen with FNP are a bitch. The math hammer on that is also insane. You just have to go at it and go to work. Lots of fun in my opinion. Keep taking them down son of russ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2269048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I am working on my wolflord in a TW right now. Don't let the negative crap from that guy bother you. he must be ragging. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2269136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 so in a tiny game you took a wolf lord on a TWM, plus 5 TWC, and you managed to kill some guardsmen... wow, just wow... who woulda thunk it... imho, the fact that you spent half your points (assuming they had no other upgrades) on one unit and an IC sounds like poor list construction on your part. Was it your intention to take the most powerful unit you could in a game where chances were the IG player wouldnt have that many weapons that could kill them? Not trying to rain on your parade but to me it doesnt sound like that much of a fair fight and I personally wouldn't have enjoyed a game like that, either as the winner or loser. Breathe, man.....breathe I'm sorry if it makes me a bad person, but if there's something in my army that i'm allowed to use then i'm going to use it no matter what. I'm getting this feeling like when I play old-school fighting games and don't pound out combo after combo. I'm accused of being a button-masher and having no skill. I'm sorry, but if it's something I wasn't meant to do or be allowed to do, then you would think I wouldn't be allowed to do it. If the guard player chose to use a bunch of bodies instead of a tank or two, then that's his choice. His choice to do that doesn't mean that I should immediately change my list to give him a better chance to beat me. Those guardsmen would not have zero chance to kill that squad. The thunderwolves aren't invincible and even a bunch of las fire can take them down. Every army has strengths and weaknesses, and if you choose not to play to your own strengths then so be it. Maybe in the eyes of some people, such a win doesn't make him a great tactician or a good sport. It's war, not checkers. He does make a point, I don't think he was saying your a bad person, but your list was very lopsided. To be honest, as an IG player also, I would NEVER have fielded that unit of 50+ lump backed by Staken. To me this seems like a "mines bigger and badder than yours" more than a game. Mind you this is just perception and I can see how the other post is very true and how you could see it as abrasive. To the heart of the matter, a well prepared IG would have handed you your hide. A Demolisher, Manticore, a few Vendettas, etc...this unit would have been toasted in seconds and you would be left with next to nothing to continue the game with. The forum is to talk about things including feedback on units and success. You was lucky, the next game you may not be so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2269611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Cheers, man. I love my wolves. I run cavalry in every game I can. In my current game, I have two cav units, Canis, a mounted wolf lord and a mounted IP. Nothing wrong with taking the units you like. All those people saying it's tactically stupid? So what? Worst case, you lose! Then your wolves have a grudge to indulge in next time around. Yes, if you were stuck in in round 1, the guard player probably didn't have a very good time, but then again I've been on the losing end of absolute slaughter before and had a great time. *sigh* nothing like seeing one single non-venny dreadnought eat through about 1000 points of my army over the course of a game... We still laugh about it. That dread shrugged off four powerfists, a turn of lascannon and melta fire, an entire unit of rending/thunderhammer cavalry... That's the kind of epic thing that you and your gaming group will remember for ages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2269634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 edit: double post, sorry. can't find the delete button. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2269635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I'm with Stinkenheim on this one. While I too do not wish to detract from your win, there was little strategy or tactics involved (as far as I can tell). You simply took a bigger rock to crush his smaller rock, and revelled in the outcome. Now whether the fight was fair or not is not what I wish to debate. You yourself have admitted that this particular player has beaten you before, so clearly your list isn't unbeatable. But in a tournament/campaign, you really have to ask yourself... Is this list the most effective all-rounder I can make? Would I gladly take this list against any opponent and stand a decent chance at winning, or am I simply over-loading on one particular aspect and hoping to do well? Or heaven forbid simply writing my list to beat a particular player's army? Just some food for thought. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191143-crushed-the-guard-today/#findComment-2269685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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