Ragnar Blood Giver Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 brothers i am in the process of building a city battle map.. while I played my brother some thing came up.. let me show.. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/DSC00310.jpg here you can see some wolfs with their back to another building, with some dark angels on the other side, with their backs exposed to them http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/DSC00315.jpg now the question I have for you is do those wolfs get a covering save? http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/DSC00316.jpg and if the wolfs returned fire the DA would get cover... I know its the way the buildings are placed, but just if any one could explain to me why/what/where etc.. it was said to me to mount them on bases, that way there is always a cover roll. I'll ask and post this in the DA forum just to see how the GW rules work. thx for all responces.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucku Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Depends how you defined the cover. Often ruins like that offer area terrain cover, so both would get saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Blood Giver Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 my brother said to me at if I mount them on bases, they get a cover save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 they would get their cover save target models whose bases are at least partially inside area terrain are in cover.regardless of the direction the shot is coming from. This represents their increased chance of diving into or behind a piece of covering terrain minirulebook page 22, don't knwo which one in the big book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 What about LOS? would the SW still get cover eevn though they canbe seen in thier entirity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Blood Giver Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 this is another building I'm working on.. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/DSC00317.jpg now I mounted this on a a4 ring binder folder, it's hard and sturdy, now I'm just looking for the last corner, theI will PVA the base and coat it.. but my brother said its on a base you have cover save... but is he correct ??? ah well it shall be confirmed soon, and if I read pg 21 stick some barrels etc on it and that should give the 4+ cover save regardless of what direction they are shot from... new additions to my wolf army.. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/DSC00318.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/DSC00319.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 they would get their cover savetarget models whose bases are at least partially inside area terrain are in cover.regardless of the direction the shot is coming from. This represents their increased chance of diving into or behind a piece of covering terrain minirulebook page 22, don't knwo which one in the big book Only if those buildings were actually defined as area terrain prior to the game. I wouldn't have called them that, personally, but would have simply treated them as terrain, and would have used True Line of Sight. Based on TLOS, the exposed Space Wolves would get no Cover Save, but the protected Dark Angels would have. You should discuss with your opponent the specifics for all terrain prior to the game (prior to Deployment, for that matter), to include discriminating how the terrain affects vehicles vice infantry. Failure to do this inevitably leads to conflict during the course of the game. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Blood Giver Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 will do brother valerian. thank you all for your input. im not sure how other GW shops mount things, but in my local shop all the buildings are mounted on bases, and yes their is some times some debates.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 This is one of those reasons i hate the new cover rules, they are just to hard to keep straight. for the first buildings you showed the wolves would not get a save because there is no base, unless you stated before the game that they were. the second one they would because it is on a base, yet the squad can be clearly seen, it also makes shooting at vehicles and MCs really fun to figure out as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 As per true line of sight, it is impossible for one unit to get a cover save from shooting, and the unit that shot at them to not get a cover save. If one of you gets a cover save you both do, as TLOS passes through cover, even if it is 0.001inches in front of you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumdin Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I thought one of the rules, was if a shooting unit was more than 2 or 3 inches from the edge of the terrain (giving the unit within cover saves from units outside the terrain) then the unit being fired upon got a cover save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 As per true line of sight, it is impossible for one unit to get a cover save from shooting, and the unit that shot at them to not get a cover save. If one of you gets a cover save you both do, as TLOS passes through cover, even if it is 0.001inches in front of you. I thought one of the rules, was if a shooting unit was more than 2 or 3 inches from the edge of the terrain (giving the unit within cover saves from units outside the terrain) then the unit being fired upon got a cover save. if you are in area terrain, and within 2 inches of the edge, then the target you shoot doesn't get a cover save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 As per true line of sight, it is impossible for one unit to get a cover save from shooting, and the unit that shot at them to not get a cover save. If one of you gets a cover save you both do, as TLOS passes through cover, even if it is 0.001inches in front of you. It is not at all impossible, as it is directly related to the model's eye view from the shooting unit. So, as long as the Dark Angel's on the right can see over the top of the walls of that ruined building, or through the doors and windows, with nothing obstructing their view to the Space Wolves, then the Space Wolves get no Cover Save. This looks to be exactly the case in the pictures provided by the OP. However, when it's the Space Wolves turn to fire, their model's eye view is clearly obstructed by the building that the Dark Angels are occupying; thus they do get a Cover Save. An additional example of one unit getting a Cover Save while their target unit would not is found in the paragraph on Firing over a barrier, on page 22 of the rulebook. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191235-covering-fire/#findComment-2268989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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