theonelawler Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 When a model has a Power Fists can choose not to use it? I am thinking No but some people iI play with say you can. So can you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Only if you are equiped with a difference special close combat weapon, such as a power weapon or frost blade- NOT if you just feel like it, or are only otherwise armed with a SS, CCW, or Pistol. 4rth Edition had optional use of Special Weapons- no more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonelawler Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Thanks :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I believe that in 5th you are no longer able to "turn off" a special CCW. In 4th you could use any special CCW as a standard CCW. At least, that's what I remember someone saying. On a quick check thru the SCCW rules I see no provision for it. But I could be wrong, since I can't give a specific page number disallowing it. Edited to say: dang, beaten to the punch. That's what I get for actually looking up the rule to make sure I'm not talking out of my rear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Cuneglas Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 For some reason I thought you could choose. What about the Thunderwolf Cav w/ rending for armour pin, instead of using a power weapon or frost blade.... You just lose the advantage of using the special weapon.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Nah, this one crops up in the OR forum about once a month, so Ive had it drilled into my head. Rending isnt a SCCW, its a special rule... so you cant choose their either- the SCCWs rules automatically take preference I believe, even when facing creatures its not an advantage with- Wraithlords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Cuneglas Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I just don't see how you can't choose, it's like having to fire your plasma gun because the rest of the squad is firing. Really, if you wanted to, could you choose not to attack at all if you really wanted to lose combat? I looked through the rule book and can't see where it says you must use your SCCWs. It's like if you had 3 CCWs you should be able to choose which one you utilize..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I admit we should have the choice, but I also understand this limitation from the designers perspective. I think its there to make the game closer to realistic situations. If you ask Superhuman Vikings in Power Armour to charge something, its to kill it, not ''to get entangled in combat in order to not be shot in the following shooting phase''... Its hard for me to see how a sergeant wouldnt use its powerfist to blow the enemys heads, after seeing them killing one or two of his battle brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I see that, but give him his 1 atack with his boltpistol on I and normal strength and the fist attacks after that, he has 2 hands and 1 has a pistol ready to hit or shoot, hes not going to not use that hand Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I just don't see how you can't choose, it's like having to fire your plasma gun because the rest of the squad is firing. Really, if you wanted to, could you choose not to attack at all if you really wanted to lose combat? I looked through the rule book and can't see where it says you must use your SCCWs. It's like if you had 3 CCWs you should be able to choose which one you utilize..... page 42 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Page 42. If you attack in combat and are equipped with a Special CCW you MUST use that weapon. If you have 2 SCCW then you must use one of them, but you will not gain a bonus attack for having 2 CCW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2270843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I see that, but give him his 1 atack with his boltpistol on I and normal strength and the fist attacks after that, he has 2 hands and 1 has a pistol ready to hit or shoot, hes not going to not use that hand That would be cool... though how to deal with plasma pistols etc might get confusing for some people..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2271053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greese_m0nkey Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 If I remeber correctly that is how 3rd addition worked, you had to split your attacks between you cc weapon and your pistel. Use to suck for Dark eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2271215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Cuneglas Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Page 42. If you attack in combat and are equipped with a Special CCW you MUST use that weapon. If you have 2 SCCW then you must use one of them, but you will not gain a bonus attack for having 2 CCW. Okay, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but I'm assuming you're looking at the bottom right on pg 42, where if you have 2 different special weapons you must choose which weapon to use. Unless there is a different section you're looking at that I'm not seeing. The normal & special weapon section talks about all of the weapons benefitting from the special weapon....I don't know, I've played that you can choose and I'm still not 100% that you can't. The advantage for not using the PF or TH is to hit at I instead of gaining the S bonus, for a strategic advantage not in an attempt to remain in CC, so it would be in the spirit of the game, not to be cheesy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2271478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Page 42. If you attack in combat and are equipped with a Special CCW you MUST use that weapon. If you have 2 SCCW then you must use one of them, but you will not gain a bonus attack for having 2 CCW. Okay, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but I'm assuming you're looking at the bottom right on pg 42, where if you have 2 different special weapons you must choose which weapon to use. Unless there is a different section you're looking at that I'm not seeing. The normal & special weapon section talks about all of the weapons benefitting from the special weapon....I don't know, I've played that you can choose and I'm still not 100% that you can't. The advantage for not using the PF or TH is to hit at I instead of gaining the S bonus, for a strategic advantage not in an attempt to remain in CC, so it would be in the spirit of the game, not to be cheesy. Actually what is is that if you have a SCCW, you get the effects- period. Nowhere does it say you can choose Not to use its effects, or choose to use just a normal CCW instead.... thus you cant be cause 40k is a permissive rules set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2271544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 where's that face palm photo..... i need it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2271589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 If you ask Superhuman Vikings in Power Armour to charge something, its to kill it, not ''to get entangled in combat in order to not be shot in the following shooting phase''... Hehe, I can just see it. "Damn, my vox is out again. It sounded like Sarge just told us to turn off our power axes!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2271719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 ;) "Dont harm the deamon prince!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2271959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 'Ok guys heres the plan. we run in real quiet like and stand right next to the carnifex. Now their vision is based on movement so as long as we stay real still once we're there and nobody does anything stupid like attack him, yes frank i mean you, then we should be alright.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2272060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 'Ok guys heres the plan. we run in real quiet like and stand right next to the carnifex. Now their vision is based on movement so as long as we stay real still once we're there and nobody does anything stupid like attack him, yes frank i mean you, then we should be alright.' LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIINSSSSSSSS!!!!! *achem* ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191372-power-fists/#findComment-2272110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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