2 Wolf Lords in one army

[Grimtooth]

I have tried to think of anyway to justify 2 wolf lords in my all and everything list. Mentor-ship, brothers,......I just can't seem to justify it and am now looking at dropping my 2nd wolf lord down to a WGBL, which would then be a mentorship role under the wolf lord. The problem with that is that then my WGBL gets kinda shafted on gear.

 

Any thoughts on fluff for a two wolf lord army?

[TheLastHuzzah]

Fluff-wise you could easily go with a "Hey, they're twins and are constantly competing to see who can kill the scariest/nastiest things and live to tell about it. Grimnar has seen them in action and was so impressed with both of their feats that they are at equal station within his eyes, even if only 1 is the "diplomat" needed to be on the counsel of Wolf Lords."

 

That being said, one of those guys is about as expensive as a decked GH pack and would advise against it in most circumstances.

 

-Huzzah

[Hfran Morkai]

A terrible foe threatens the sector and the Great Wolf dispatches two entire Great Companies. [insert additional and non-essential fluff here] The Wolves sustain heavy casualties and to keep the force as an effective fighting unit the Wolf Lords temporarily combine their Companies into a single task force.

[Grimtooth]

Fluff-wise you could easily go with a "Hey, they're twins and are constantly competing to see who can kill the scariest/nastiest things and live to tell about it. Grimnar has seen them in action and was so impressed with both of their feats that they are at equal station within his eyes, even if only 1 is the "diplomat" needed to be on the counsel of Wolf Lords."

 

That being said, one of those guys is about as expensive as a decked GH pack and would advise against it in most circumstances.

 

-Huzzah

 

Good idea. This is really my everything I own list, just shy of 5k points, so not worried so much about cost.

 

 

A terrible foe threatens the sector and the Great Wolf dispatches two entire Great Companies. [insert additional and non-essential fluff here] The Wolves sustain heavy casualties and to keep the force as an effective fighting unit the Wolf Lords temporarily combine their Companies into a single task force.

 

Another good idea.

 

Got me thinking just exactly what I have in my army and got some brainstorming going now.

[SJumppanen]

I'd go with simple "pissing contest" theory.

[Commissar Volker]

I have Ragnar Blackmane as the Wolf Lord of my company, and he has his second in command, a Heroic Wolfguard (uses wolf lord rules) Skeld Ironthews.

[confused_gordy]

Either that or you have one as a wolf lord, and the other is simply his very very able wolf guard battle leader, no where in the fluff does it say the wolf guard cannot be more capable warriors than the current wolf lord.

[Prophecy]

I can think of a couple instances in various mythologies (including Norse) where two twins were inseperable but constantly competing. I think it would make for some very fun fluff if they were dual-promoted to Wolf Lord(s). My two cents.

[Grimtooth]

So when I created my "all I own" list, I used all my old 13th Co models to bolster my ranks and max out my FOC. This included all my Grey Slayers, Storm Claws, and "fenrisian" wolves. What this has led me to now, is a mixed force of new SW models and 13th Co models. So did a quick storyline:

So while returning from a Great Hunt very far from Fenris, Wolf Lord Hroir Grimtooth's ship is involuntary jerked from warp space into real space to find what appears to be an ancient derelict battle barge seemingly waiting for them. Ship markings have been all but scourged from the old ship. With psyhic emanations being read by the rune priests that said derelict is responsible for the sudden jerk from warp space, Wolf Lord Grimtooth deems that boarding action to investigate and destroy said ship is required.

 

Upon entering said ship via left open docking bays, the boarding party is assailed with immense levels of warp energy, but not chaotic warp energy. As they investigate the ship, along the great walls of the barge are ancient tapestries depicting not only ancient battles, but also battles which appear to have taken place upon warp spawned demon held planets. Hanging from the walls and set in niches, trophies of alien, chaotic, and unknown origin are placed.

 

Reaching what appears to be a huge set of doors normally leading to a great feasting hall in this type of ship, the life form sensors of both the Space Wolves and aboard Grimtooth's ship suddenly come to life revealing a single life form residing with the great hall.

 

Bursting into the great hall, Grimtooth and his boarding party come upon a hulking lone cloaked form kneeling before an immense throne made of plasteel and ceramite but decorated to resemble wood. The figure stands and turns toward Grimtooth throwing back his cloak revealing a long bearded scarred face in rune encrusted dark grey TDA amor.

 

"Stand down whelp!" growls the old man.

 

"You speak to a Wolf Lord of Fenris old man, show your due respect!"

 

"Hahahahahahahaha!" laughs the old man as blue fire leaps from his eyes.

 

The walls of the great hall begin to at first shimmer and then coalesce into sheets of blue coruscating warp energy. Grimtooth attempts to order attack of the lone figure, but can feel the power of the old one seep into his muscles and joints preventing him from even moving.

 

Ghostly figures then appear behind the walls of rippling warp energy and then step forward from the nether. The same dark grey color adorns these figures in both terminator armor and power armor, a mixture of loyalist and chaos pieces adorn these newcomers to the hall.

 

Grimtooth senses an immense presence step up from just outside of his vision and then finds himself staring up into golden eyes set into a face of carved stone. The ancient terminator armor bears the scars and repairs of a thousand battles yet shines in the fading glow of the warp energy.

 

"Wolf Lord of Fenris?" growls a voice of unquestioning authority from the living statue.

 

Turning to his surrounding warriors, the giant says with surprising humor in his voice, "They are making our brothers much smaller these days men!"

 

The roar of laughter echoes lightly in Grimtooth's ear as realization finally dawned upon him. The old myths were true! He was among the 13th.

 

Opinions/comments? This would let me justify not only having two wolf lords in my army, but also account for why I have 13th Co models in my army.

[stinkenheim]

as has been said, id be tempted to go with he twin idea. fluffwise make one of them the more diplomatic/strategic one and the other the heroic fighter/inspirational leader. moel wise one could be the typical space wolf, all pelts and teeth with the other have him in more classical attire, maybe sculpted armour, cloak etc.

 

@ brother ramses if it were me there would be no need to justify anything, its you toys, you army, your hobby do whatever you like dude. altough i like the short story and the idea behind it :(

[Grimtooth]

as has been said, id be tempted to go with he twin idea. fluffwise make one of them the more diplomatic/strategic one and the other the heroic fighter/inspirational leader. moel wise one could be the typical space wolf, all pelts and teeth with the other have him in more classical attire, maybe sculpted armour, cloak etc.

 

@ brother ramses if it were me there would be no need to justify anything, its you toys, you army, your hobby do whatever you like dude. altough i like the short story and the idea behind it :(

 

Interestingly enough Stink, I have the older Wolf Lord in tda running with tda wolf guard and have the younger one running with Sky Claws.....LOL.

 

I like getting some meat and potatoes behind my armies. I once made a tome of aged paper filled with lore and my army list to turn in to the judges....lol.

[Ludo]

Two words:

 

Romulus

 

Remus

 

All the fluff you need to tweak in one handy mythological story.

[Valerian]

Ramses,

 

I would go with either one of two ideas to stay appropriate with the fluff:

 

1. Already mentioned, but you only have 1 actual Wolf Lord, and the other fellow is a Battle Leader, but has Wolf Lord stats (from that unit selection in the army list). So, he is just a particularly talented Battle Leader, that might be on the verge of becoming the next Wolf Lord in the Chapter (as soone as someone else kicks the bucket/buys the farm).

 

2. Each 40k battle often represents a small "slice" of action on a larger notional battlefield. Your portion of that larger battlefield could be considered to be the "seem" between two adjacent Great Companies. The Wolf Lord, with in his unit's Area of Operations, is going to place himself wherever he feels that his leadership and guidance is needed most, and where he feels that his presence might make a difference toward achieving the unit's mission. It could be, that one Wolf Lord felt that he ought to be supporting the effort on the right flank of his Great Company, and the other Wolf Lord was supporting the effort on the left flank of his Great Company. Both have come together to repel an enemy force that is attempting to exploit the usual gap between two forces.

 

Regards,

 

V

[Damug Warfang]

Bit unoriginal but how about a copy of the Lysander story? One wolf lord is lost to the warp only to reappear years later after a succesor is named. Wolf lords being extremely proud and stubborn both would want to be Wolf Lord of the company.

[Kenmichi]

2. Each 40k battle often represents a small "slice" of action on a larger notional battlefield. Your portion of that larger battlefield could be considered to be the "seem" between two adjacent Great Companies. The Wolf Lord, with in his unit's Area of Operations, is going to place himself wherever he feels that his leadership and guidance is needed most, and where he feels that his presence might make a difference toward achieving the unit's mission. It could be, that one Wolf Lord felt that he ought to be supporting the effort on the right flank of his Great Company, and the other Wolf Lord was supporting the effort on the left flank of his Great Company. Both have come together to repel an enemy force that is attempting to exploit the usual gap between two forces.

 

I really like this idea, splitting your whole army between 2 different companies. You could combine the fierce might of Bjorn Stormwolf with some Vindicators and Bikes with the cunning stealth of Erik Morkai attached to some Scouts, then split your Troops in half and paint half of them under Stormwolf's symbol and the other half under Morkai's. It would be very dynamic and really allow you to field a diverse army.

[Grimtooth]

2. Each 40k battle often represents a small "slice" of action on a larger notional battlefield. Your portion of that larger battlefield could be considered to be the "seem" between two adjacent Great Companies. The Wolf Lord, with in his unit's Area of Operations, is going to place himself wherever he feels that his leadership and guidance is needed most, and where he feels that his presence might make a difference toward achieving the unit's mission. It could be, that one Wolf Lord felt that he ought to be supporting the effort on the right flank of his Great Company, and the other Wolf Lord was supporting the effort on the left flank of his Great Company. Both have come together to repel an enemy force that is attempting to exploit the usual gap between two forces.

 

I really like this idea, splitting your whole army between 2 different companies. You could combine the fierce might of Bjorn Stormwolf with some Vindicators and Bikes with the cunning stealth of Erik Morkai attached to some Scouts, then split your Troops in half and paint half of them under Stormwolf's symbol and the other half under Morkai's. It would be very dynamic and really allow you to field a diverse army.

 

I would do this in a heartbeat if I didn't already have a bunch of 13th Co in chaos gear. Would look good on the table to as one united force made up of two different companies.

[MaveriK]

The twins idea is a logical answer and a good one at that! but if you really want to be creative with your fluff then here goes a suggestion for yah....

 

Your great company was fighting inside the Eye of Terror in a recent yet secret campaign, where your force fought on one of the moons that orbited the planet of sorcerers. Your great company fought the Thousand Sons, many of your kin perished it was only then when you were aided by the lost kin that the tides of war turned to favor the Son's of Russ. Your Wolf Lord won the battle by defeating a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch who governed the moon, also foiling his plans to destroy the Golden Throne.

 

as the Daemon Prince lay dying.. before fading away banished into the warp, with his final act cursed your Wolf Lord. Saying "I am cheated! by the false emperor's dog! if you were half the man, I would have defeated you easily." And with his last strength before dying and fading away... sorcery split the Wolf Lord in two. Two of the same man, but two different personalities.. half the man he was, but together strong enough to defeat a tyrant, a giant Daemon Prince. Polar opposites of each other, like ying and yang. One smarter, the other faster. One stronger, the other disciplined. One more calm and cool, more of a tactician. While the other more quick tempered, walking wreaking ball kinda guy that just goes with the flow without a plan and stubborn.

 

haha that's just me being creative and thinking outside of the box!

[Chucku]

Either that or you have one as a wolf lord, and the other is simply his very very able wolf guard battle leader, no where in the fluff does it say the wolf guard cannot be more capable warriors than the current wolf lord.

 

I like this. He could represent a great hero who has not yet risen to Wolf Lord status.

[Prophecy]

The twins idea is a logical answer and a good one at that! but if you really want to be creative with your fluff then here goes a suggestion for yah....

 

Your great company was fighting inside the Eye of Terror in a recent yet secret campaign, where your force fought on one of the moons that orbited the planet of sorcerers. Your great company fought the Thousand Sons, many of your kin perished it was only then when you were aided by the lost kin that the tides of war turned to favor the Son's of Russ. Your Wolf Lord won the battle by defeating a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch who governed the moon, also foiling his plans to destroy the Golden Throne.

 

as the Daemon Prince lay dying.. before fading away banished into the warp, with his final act cursed your Wolf Lord. Saying "I am cheated! by the false emperor's dog! if you were half the man, I would have defeated you easily." And with his last strength before dying and fading away... sorcery split the Wolf Lord in two. Two of the same man, but two different personalities.. half the man he was, but together strong enough to defeat a tyrant, a giant Daemon Prince. Polar opposites of each other, like ying and yang. One smarter, the other faster. One stronger, the other disciplined. One more calm and cool, more of a tactician. While the other more quick tempered, walking wreaking ball kinda guy that just goes with the flow without a plan and stubborn.

 

haha that's just me being creative and thinking outside of the box!

 

...that's not bad.

 

How would a space wolf feel about being sorcery-ed like that though?

 

Would (t)he(y) accept it and move on? Or scour the galaxy looking for an item or magick to return them? Would the Wolves allow them to retain their position as wolf lord?

[MaveriK]

The twins idea is a logical answer and a good one at that! but if you really want to be creative with your fluff then here goes a suggestion for yah....

 

Your great company was fighting inside the Eye of Terror in a recent yet secret campaign, where your force fought on one of the moons that orbited the planet of sorcerers. Your great company fought the Thousand Sons, many of your kin perished it was only then when you were aided by the lost kin that the tides of war turned to favor the Son's of Russ. Your Wolf Lord won the battle by defeating a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch who governed the moon, also foiling his plans to destroy the Golden Throne.

 

as the Daemon Prince lay dying.. before fading away banished into the warp, with his final act cursed your Wolf Lord. Saying "I am cheated! by the false emperor's dog! if you were half the man, I would have defeated you easily." And with his last strength before dying and fading away... sorcery split the Wolf Lord in two. Two of the same man, but two different personalities.. half the man he was, but together strong enough to defeat a tyrant, a giant Daemon Prince. Polar opposites of each other, like ying and yang. One smarter, the other faster. One stronger, the other disciplined. One more calm and cool, more of a tactician. While the other more quick tempered, walking wreaking ball kinda guy that just goes with the flow without a plan and stubborn.

 

haha that's just me being creative and thinking outside of the box!

 

...that's not bad.

 

How would a space wolf feel about being sorcery-ed like that though?

 

Would (t)he(y) accept it and move on? Or scour the galaxy looking for an item or magick to return them? Would the Wolves allow them to retain their position as wolf lord?

 

 

ever see the movie The Prestige? think of the Wolf Lord as Christian Bale's character... while one is posing as the Wolf Lord, the other is commanding his Wolf Guard devastating and hunting down the enemies of Russ, and vice verse! I'd make it so that only Wolf Scouts, Long Fangs and Wolf Guard know the truth... while the Grey Hunters and Blood Claws see the Wolf Lord as a very complex character not knowing their two different personalities. Bloodclaws would prefer being with the reckless and quick tempered version, while the Grey Hunters would prefer being with the composed, tactician version. But on the battlefield... the two are a wrecking force! one disguised as a battle leader or a masked champion of the Wolf Lord seeking the return of that Daemon Prince to make him whole again... but in reality.. the two work best in the army as two separate powerhouse HQ entities.

 

I'm sure no Space Wolf wouldn't liked to be messed like that. A reason why that Great Company would keep it hush hush, even from the Great Wolf... they might even revoke their oaths, feeling dishonored and out on a quest to gain it back?! find a cure to be whole again? just a thought! haha

[Araith]

The two brothers sound like... fun. It can even be supported rulewise with different sagas.

 

I'd go with simple "pissing contest" theory.

"Next shot in the Hive Tyrant's left eye!"

"You know brother Ulfgar won't sew it on again, right?"

"Ugh. I really hate those scything talons."

*grins* "Try crushing claws, my friend."

[Lord Ragnarok]

Well for my GC (Harald's boys) they are closely allied with elements of the 13th co. and have absorbed one doomed warband including Wolf Lord. The 13th Co. Wolf Lord. He acts a "counsel" v/s underling.

[Skirax]

I have Ragnar and my DIY Lord in one list, called Mjal Blackfang, and I just say that Mjal is second after Ragnar, and he's only earned this title through being immense in battle, but also being able to command men with the equivalant skills to that of a Wolf Lord.

[Prophecy]

The two brothers sound like... fun. It can even be supported rulewise with different sagas.

 

I'd go with simple "pissing contest" theory.

"Next shot in the Hive Tyrant's left eye!"

"You know brother Ulfgar won't sew it on again, right?"

"Ugh. I really hate those scything talons."

*grins* "Try crushing claws, my friend."

 

*brings down the carnifex*

 

"...THAT ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!"

[Grimtooth]

Well for my GC (Harald's boys) they are closely allied with elements of the 13th co. and have absorbed one doomed warband including Wolf Lord. The 13th Co. Wolf Lord. He acts a "counsel" v/s underling.

 

This is the path I am going to take since like I said, I have 13th Co models peppered with chaos bitz in all my Grey Hunter packs now. So would be easy to build the fluff based on what I am putting on the table.

 

Thanks all for the discussion.