Dilgar Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Been reading the heretical codex Eldar and found an entry (page 13) about the Black Library where it is stated that a handful of Ordo Malleus Inquisitors have been permitted to visit the Black Library as the Harlequins and Malleus both share a common enemy (chaos). Are there Inquisitors considered radicals or what? I find this fascinating, and brings me closer then ever to start a Eldar army (connections to the Ordo is always plus, play for fluff :)) Anybody "know" anything more about this? ---------------------------------SPOILER- Novel Lord of Night-------------------------------------- The novel Lord of Night (pretty new I think) has an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor that is collaborating (unwillingly in the end) with the Eldar, this is something similar? BTW I loved the book, recommend it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 This has been the case since Rogue Trader, back when Harlequins had an equal number of Dark Eldar, Craftworld Eldar, and Exodites in their theatrical troope, and only Harlequins and Inquisitors could access the Black Library. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilgar Posted February 4, 2010 Author Share Posted February 4, 2010 Alright, but do these IQ count as Radicals or is this such a secret within a secret organization that it merely is a "need to know basis"? Find the Harlequins fascinating, and this only adds to it ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Interesting question which most likely will be kept vague... as usual. Or forgotten eventually. Quite typical of GW when it comes to fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Alright, but do these IQ count as Radicals Yes, they would be considered 'radical' by some of their peers. There would also be those who consider them to be 'puritan'. There is no set line between 'radical' and 'puritan' that everyone agrees on, it's all a matter of perspective. For example, Eisenhorn was called radical by one of his peers merely for working undercover, whereas most people would consider him a 'puritan' at that point. In my opinion, people focus too much on putting labels on Inquisitors and not enough thinking about their beliefs and actions. It's easy to say that an Inquisitor follows the Recongregationist beliefs and is therefore a 'radical', but what does that actually mean? It doesn't make him 'good' or 'evil', it doesn't make him a heretic or even a suspected heretic. Some 'radicals' are amongst the most respected members of the Ordos - some 'puritans' may be deemed heretics. If you want to create an Inquisitor who has been given access to the Black Library, then go for it - but he should be a well-developed character, not just a series of almost meaningless labels. Why are the Eldar working with him? Are they secretly manipulating him for some greater purpose? What do his peers think about his actions? How many of them know about them? Does he have the support (open or otherwise) of his Conclave or Ordo? Is he alone in working with the Eldar, or is he a member of a cell or cabal that has long standing links to the Black Library? And so on... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Been reading the heretical codex Eldar and found an entry (page 13) about the Black Library where it is stated that a handful of Ordo Malleus Inquisitors have been permitted to visit the Black Library as the Harlequins and Malleus both share a common enemy (chaos). Are there Inquisitors considered radicals or what? I find this fascinating, and brings me closer then ever to start a Eldar army (connections to the Ordo is always plus, play for fluff ) Anybody "know" anything more about this? IIRC, the only named one is Inquisitor Czevak, the galaxy's expert on the Eldar. However, he was forbidden to talk about what was in the Black Library - something about him being bound by power far beyond human comprehension (presumably a reference to the Harlequins), so whatever advice comes out of there is likely to be "This is right. No, you're just going to have to trust me on this one". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 There is actually a strong connection between the Eldar (particularly the Harlequins) and the Inquisition. I am speaking of the Illuminati of the Ordo Malleus, being a subgroup of Thorians, who also are working on utilizing the Sensei and trying to work towards the rebirth of the Numen. This fluff is detailed in the Inquisition War trilogy from the Black Library. There's also clues to the Star Child in other bits of fluff, particularly Xenology lately. I would say there's a lot of precedent to the Inquisition working with the Eldar, as to whether or not they're radicals.. it really depends on if they get caught and who is the one making the accusation :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor =D= Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Well if you think about it it only takes one inquisitor's writ to declare another inquisitor as a heretic (Eisenhorn). So it doesn't matter what all the inquisitors think it only takes one. B) But as for Inquisitors with obvious Eldar ties I can list three to start. Inquisitor Lilith (Gaunts Ghosts) Inquisitor Ravenor (self explanitory) Inquisitor Draco (Inquisition War) Hmm... No pattern here. Hmm... I might need to re-read these books... again. =]D[= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Well if you think about it it only takes one inquisitor's writ to declare another inquisitor as a heretic (Eisenhorn). So it doesn't matter what all the inquisitors think it only takes one. ;) Gav Thorpe's Thorian Sourcebook has a good section on the workings of the Inquisition, including the process by which an Inquisitor can take a carta out to prosecute one of his peers. It's well worth a read, especially as it's a free download from the Inquisitor section of the GW website. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor =D= Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Free download huh? Well, it seems I have a new book to read. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2273953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilgar Posted February 4, 2010 Author Share Posted February 4, 2010 Nooo guys/gals...had to stop reading your answers half way through as I am just NOW reading the Inquisition War trilogy and have Eisenhorn waiting on the shelf :cuss . Put up a SPOILER alert :D Sry please rephrase guys :))...thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2274018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Alright.. lemme try to rephrase then B) Yes, I "know" things about this, however I can't tell you, ha ha ha ha (joking) :) I'd advise reading the following: The Inquisition War Eisenhorn Omnibus Ravenor Omnibus (I assume as I haven't read this one... :( ) The Thorian Sourcebook (free PDF download in the Inquisitor section of GW's website) You're on the right track :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2274053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilgar Posted February 4, 2010 Author Share Posted February 4, 2010 Alright.. lemme try to rephrase then ;) Yes, I "know" things about this, however I can't tell you, ha ha ha ha (joking) :pinch: Ignorence is bliss? :down: Would love to read some more fluff about Eldar & Inquisitors working togheter for the greater good (heretical enough :P ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2274134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
- 7eAL - Posted February 6, 2010 Share Posted February 6, 2010 Would love to read some more fluff about Eldar & Inquisitors working togheter for the greater good (heretical enough :D ) "We told your bloody Emperor from the get-go, but he didn't listen. We've been waiting near ten thousand years for you to start paying attention, but it's too little too late now isn't it, little monkey?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2276066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilgar Posted February 6, 2010 Author Share Posted February 6, 2010 Would love to read some more fluff about Eldar & Inquisitors working togheter for the greater good (heretical enough :lol: ) "We told your bloody Emperor from the get-go, but he didn't listen. We've been waiting near ten thousand years for you to start paying attention, but it's too little too late now isn't it, little monkey?" Nice try, heretic :D :D :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2276300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Kaelgrim Posted February 6, 2010 Share Posted February 6, 2010 Anyone ever notice how Mon-keigh sounds like monkey when you pronounce it oddly.......? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2276391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummus Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 i thought that was the whole point Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2277888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Kaelgrim Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I only just recently got it then.....though I've always pronounced it Mahn-kai in my head rather than mohn-kay. *Shrug* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191574-eldar-black-library-and-ordo-malleus/#findComment-2278050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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