Inquisition with Allied Guard or Marines (advice sought)

[HereticusTerminus]

I'm thinking of getting into 40k again ahving not really played since 2nd edition owing to my girlfriend deciding she loves the look of tyranids and Chaos Space Marines.

 

I GM Dark Heresy and have long been a fan of the fluff and flavour of the Inquisition in 40k. However, Daemonhunters is a nearly (?) all metal range which makes for a very expensive army and the Sororitas don't quite grab me enough (like the core troops, not so much some of their other miniatures).

 

I was wondering, therefore, how well Daemonhunters (Or witchunters as it's mainly the Inquisitor+retinue I like the idea of) does when allied to Guard or Marines.

 

I've also read the many and contradictory rumours on the Inquisition getting a new codex given how out of date the old one is, and if that brings with it plastics then I'd rather not have shelled out for all metal in advance of this happening in the next year or so.

 

With the options being:

 

Inquisition main with allied guards

Inquisition main with allied marines

Space Marines main with allied Inquisition (probably themed as deathwatch killteams).

Guard main with allied inquisition

 

How well do the above four options do in play, are they 'fun' (and how balanced would they be with either Chaos Space Marines or Tyranids as I'd like to avoid a pairing that sees either one of us distinctly outmatched).

 

Thanks for any advice.

[Justicar Valius]

1. Superb, put heavy weapons teams in your platoons with autocannons and you're good to go. Give them the Grey Knight Terminators in a Land Raider Crusader and laugh as your opponents die

2. DH don't work, WH I don't know

3. Add in an inquisitor with 2 mystics a multi melta servitor, psy hood and rhino and you are good to go.

4. You would have to give GKT some chimeras nut otherwise it's all good :)

 

By the way an all metal army is extremly rewarding andd Kaskirin (Stormtroopers) and GKT are the best models in GW range as well! They are great.

[HereticusTerminus]

1. Superb, put heavy weapons teams in your platoons with autocannons and you're good to go. Give them the Grey Knight Terminators in a Land Raider Crusader and laugh as your opponents die

2. DH don't work, WH I don't know

3. Add in an inquisitor with 2 mystics a multi melta servitor, psy hood and rhino and you are good to go.

4. You would have to give GKT some chimeras nut otherwise it's all good :)

 

By the way an all metal army is extremly rewarding andd Kaskirin (Stormtroopers) and GKT are the best models in GW range as well! They are great.

 

So it's looking as if Inquisitor's best work with the guard, other than just adding an inquisitor with mystics (am guessing this is for deep striking?) for marines.

 

Well now i'm certainly torn between a Deathwatch themed Space Marine army or Inquisition themed guard.

 

I'd agree on the Grey Knight Terminators, I've not seen Kasrkin up close to say for certain (though the SM Commander, Techmarine and Sternguard are all great as well imo). The price difference isn't inconsiderable, however, hence not planning on doing a full Inquisition army (not until/unless they do a new codex and plastics that is).

 

Thanks for the advice, it doesn't help me resolvethe choice (more marines or guard), but does at least tell me that it's doable as a concept.

[Marid]

Although, for a DH army, all-metal minis for troops is not as expensive as it once was. Nowadays a good chunk of your points (and cash) should be spent on tanks, which brings down your troop count.

[Tokugawa]

IG with introducted inquisition units work best.

 

They could grant IG many advantages：

Anti-deepstrike, Anti-psychic, and conterattack close combat ability.

 

 

 

AND, how can you laugh at chimeras?

 

Chimera is a good, if not the best, transport vehicle for GKTs, especially introducted GKTs in IG armies.

 

It is cheap and has some shooting weapon.

 

GKTs(and also GKs) could move and fire psycannon through its hatch. And they are protected by the hull, and screened by other chimeras, which may loaded with vets.

 

And the mobility could keep the GKTs with your mechanized infantries, and through them into conter-charge when your guardsmen caught by melee units.

 

Remember that the introducted GK units are not for crushing enemies as the hammer of the army. They are for defened other units.

[number6]

For your girlfriend, tyranids are probably the strongest army -- they are right up there with all the other made-for-5th-edition-40K codexes -- as well as the most forgiving option. Mistakes made with chaos marines aren't necessarily going to go well for you....

 

You can make excellent DH armies provided you are willing to induct IG platoons. If not ... I wouldn't recommend it for a new player.

The WH codex is superb, especially if you stick with a pure Sisters list or Sisters + inducted IG platoons.

But playing IG with allied DH will give you many more options yet not really restrict your ability to get things like GKs into your list.

Playing Space Marines with a smattering of allied DH/WH is also just fine and dandy.

[Spacefrisian]

Chimera is a good, if not the best, transport vehicle for GKTs, especially introducted GKTs in IG armies.

 

Is that allowed?

[number6]

Chimera is a good, if not the best, transport vehicle for GKTs, especially introducted GKTs in IG armies.

 

Is that allowed?

Yep. 5th edition 40K allows dedicated transports to be used by any eligible infantry unit, not just the one for which it was purchased. The only restriction is that only the dedicated unit itself may be deployed inside the transport. Anybody else has to start deployed on the table and embark into the transport on the first turn.

[Magnus Thane]

An Inquisitor 'fluff-linked' Space Marine Chapter might be fun.

Deathwatch, White Consuls,...

 

You should look at the fluff bit of it all and evaluate... which would be more rewarding?

An inquisitor and some IST's (IG codex or DH codex) in red backed up by some GKT's or an Inquisitor accompagnying a force of SM's linked to the Inquisitorum.

 

Perhaps you like the idea of a Radical Inquisitor. In that case avoid Space Marines and Grey Knights and opt for his own Guard Forces.

Or perhaps you prefer a more puritan approach. In that case focus less on the guard or DH Guard units and try out a force of SM's or GK's.

 

Don't forget the Assassins, the Daemonhost etc either. They can add flavor to your force and steer you either way.

[Godhead]

IF you go with a deathwatch themed Space marine army, then the sternguard vets make excellent deathwatch teams (since old DW teams had the special ammo as well). I had considered this path when starting my DH/Inq forces so that I wouldn't have to buy more space marines and could realistically use my Angels Sanguine and Space Wolves without saying "they are vanilla and not really AS or SW"... just pretend that's not fenris grey :rolleyes:

[*Furyou Miko]

I'm thinking of getting into 40k again having not really played since 2nd edition owing to my girlfriend deciding she loves the look of tyranids and Chaos Space Marines.

 

I GM Dark Heresy and have long been a fan of the fluff and flavour of the Inquisition in 40k. However, Daemonhunters is a nearly (?) all metal range which makes for a very expensive army and the Sororitas don't quite grab me enough (like the core troops, not so much some of their other miniatures).

 

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What other miniatures? We have THREE infantry models, one of which is an independant character (Canoness, Battle Sister, and Seraphim. All other differences are merely gun swaps)

 

My partner plays 'nids, too, looking forward to playing with the new codex (she started because she hates the thought of painting "lots of little men", heh heh heh... gribbly scythey things on the other hand...)

 

I'd personally go with Guard with an Inquisitional ally, though, as priorly suggested. Partly because I'm biased (Guard have awesome gear), but also because the available troop options for an Inquisition army with Allied Marines or Inducted Guard are awful.

 

You end up limited to Inquisitors, Storm Troopers, and Assassins from the D/WH book, and Marine Squads/Guard Platoons, Predators/Leman Russ (basic)s, and Sentinels/Bikers.

 

And Leman Russes are limited to one.

 

On the other hand, as a Guard or Marine army, you can freely include (from WH list at least);

 

0-1 HQ (Inquisitor Lord with retinue in a LR? I'd use a Valkyrie, but I'm a flyer nut... or a Sisters Palatine, who can make your 32-wound Commisar's entire squad of lasguns Rend)

0-1 Elite Choice (Basic Inquisitor option, or there's Assassins if you burn the points on a Lord...)

0-2 Troop choices (I'd personally use Storm Troops if you want to be purer Guard here without the crazy non-inquisition units)

0-1 Fast Attack choices (say... Seraphim squad. Who are broken. Or Dominions, for a highly mobile flamer/melta unit of death)

[Eltnot]

0-1 HQ (Inquisitor Lord with retinue in a LR? I'd use a Valkyrie, but I'm a flyer nut... or a Sisters Palatine, who can make your 32-wound Commisar's entire squad of lasguns Rend)

Acts of Faith can only be used on units comprising of entirely faithful models (with the exception of priests). So no a Canoness/Palantine cannot make your lasguns rending.