Stormbrow II Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I'm assuming that many members of this forum have seen the leaked BA dex that is doing the rounds? While it may not be entirely correct there is some stuff in there giving food for thought, the least of which is the flying Harbinger transport thing with the Dual-Linked-Pinning-Asscans. Is the prospect of Jump Pack troops Deep Striking and assaulting en masse backed up by Librarian Furiosos a scary prospect for the Wolves or will it still have great problems dealing with Mech lists or TWC-heavy builds? I must admit that I like the look of the book so far with the emphasis on Assault Marines that can actually assault and scare people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 This and This and This should answer your questions to some extent. I personally cringed when i saw that you brought this up. as a SPACE WOLF player i expect that other armies are going to be out there that since they are the new codex that they are going to get a lot of noise out of many people. i personally don't care about the blood angles or what they get, once again i play wolves plane and simple. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 So no flying batriders then, subject to penalties when not using Night Fighting rules? How disappointing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgambit Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I actually play both armies and think the new codex looks really good, but at the same time I love the wolf codex. I play 13th Company so the cool thing about playing these 2 armies is I can play different play styles depending on my mood. For wolves I go with a foot force using a rune priest and with BA I plan to go more mechanized using the new storm harbinger. The scary thing about the new BA is they can be very mobile like Eldar but maintain that marine toughness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I'm a little annoyed at some of their new wargear... and I thought our Frost Blades were cool and unique. The Blood Angels (if what I read in the leaked codex rumors are true) have similar types, even one wargear that gives +2 strength :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Guys, we have ale, honour bonds and a sense of humour. The Blood Angels can have their codex and the nice little toys, they deserve them. This thread was about combating them, which I intend to do in the same style as other opponents: Keep hitting them with pointy sticks until they fall over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I really think a lot of this hype is just that. It all seems really good then when it comes out.. it'll be fine. The only book so far that is a bit over the top.. is guard. Which is why I'm shelving them to finish my space wolves. SW are much more fun and rewarding to play than sitting back and winning all the time. As neat as the BA sound.. they will be obviously just a cc army while we can remain flexible. I would like a tarantulus lander though. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archnomad Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 *cough* Tempest's Wrath Go have fun with it;] And for other things, we're not exactly leaps and bounds worse in combat. Hell, we're the same if we get the charge! And (in my opinion) we can shoot better. And we have ale. Blood Angel's got nothin on that. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Assuming of course they dont have Furious Charge. Anyone beleive they wont have it, or a way to get it? Nah. My only problem, my only :rolleyes: about this whole thing is the first time Ive been pissed at GW for a blatantly stupid disturbance to the game: Marines should NOT have a fast moving skimmer transport that can bring in whole squads- the Storm is powerful enough by gods for them to have learned their lesson I thought. Apparently not so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archnomad Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I said we're equal IF we get the charge. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Nah- then were better, because well have 3 attacks and they only 2. The charge here is one of those times itll make a big difference- like against beserkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archnomad Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well yeah true, it's much more important for us to charge as we deny them their Furious Charge. I'm not too worried about Blood Angels at all to be honest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Nah. My only problem, my only :D about this whole thing is the first time Ive been pissed at GW for a blatantly stupid disturbance to the game: Marines should NOT have a fast moving skimmer transport that can bring in whole squads- the Storm is powerful enough by gods for them to have learned their lesson I thought. Apparently not so much. I agree with you. No marine force needs this, it changes everything too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well, someone on LO posted a tentative 1k list... The assault squads if you take a certain item.. like laurel of thorns, they can have furious charge and it seems the assault squads are quite expensive. At least that's what it seems so far. Dunno if the guy posted that same list on here or not. They seem fast, and quite deadly, but meh.. BRING THEM ON. I've played a few games with the old space wolf book and I like how they played so I'm sticking around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCanuk Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well looks like there will be a bunch of grey colored blood angel armies now :D Honestly, how do you think all the other space marine armies felt when the Space Wolves came out. Probably the exact same thing some people are thinking here. It's GW, it's ever evolving. Suck it up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2280936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Ooph. Just saw their codex. It's been leaked, if you look hard enough (not really even that hard). A lot of stuff is very expensive. You're going to see a lot of really terrible "shiny" lists. Three words though: Psychic Dreadnought Cavalry. Frightening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Ahhh Codex envy...I remember it well when our dex was in the rumor phase. And just like we realized a lot of our goodies we pay out the nose to field, I'm sure the same will be for BA's. I'd caution jumping the gun on a new dex and thinking it is overpowered or OTT. Wait for the real dex, play some games, level set yourselves in the fires of combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I agree. Every 5th edition Codex is balanced imo. (Though I'm still skeptical about Nyds. I've played with them myself 3 times and tabled my opponent by turn 4 every game. But we'll see.) I'm very excited for the BA codex. My friend has like 10k points painted (including the most awesome custom Thunderhawk ever) sitting around not getting used. It will for sure as soon as this book hits shelves. And it looks like with some new additions. I also think the Lander won't change anything if costed right. In general it doesn't make marines that much faster. - Still can only go 12 and disembark. And being able to go 12 and disembark jump pack marines and charge doesn't change their speed at all really. The first turn and occasional fast movement will be awesome and the front armor 13 will be great. But, with the dynamics of the game as they are it won't change much. - Even Nyds can deep strike everything effectively. IG are still fast and can shoot down anything if fielded right. Marines are marines and Wolves want people close. As to the armor, moving that fast will usually get you into enemy territory where side shots are common. Not to mention that every army has tons of outflanking which makes it the same as a rhino. What this does is give marines a transport that falls between a rhino and a raider. - As soft as a rhino, generally, and can carry like a raider, generally. And it should cost about that. My guess would be, assuming they want it to sell like hot cakes, about 150pts give or take 25 given the info we have. Personally I think this is the one thing the game lacked. - And by game I mean my army. I always wondered why in 40,000 years our super elite soldiers were still driving around in APCs. It kind of ties the game together for me personally. I anxiously look forward to the lander and hope that my wolves can use it as I hate rhinos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 We have big axes and have body hair. Not robes and hairless pretty physiques. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 We have big axes and have body hair.Not robes and hairless pretty physiques you didnt see how Grim looks like ? it seems the assault squads are quite expensive. compering to SW GH ? maybe . compering to any other troop choice in other dex ? nope. they are 19 pts per guy , with options for 2 special weapons and a TH sgt . they cost less then a unit of csm and csm dont have ATSKNF and chance for FC. the bad side of BAs. MM attack bikes cost tons of points[and will still be used] . FC is situational unless you gear your army for using it [seth , priests etc] and then it costs points. in kill point missions when you do drop and pop with 2-3 dreads on first turn , shock wave has a big chance of blowing up the pods and hurting the other two dreads [if scaters bring them close] . If someone takes DC they dont have frags [yes no one is going to take 5 man naked devastators to gain them , because it makes the DC investment too big as you already have to take a HG unit to give them weapons/fists or lamartes for rending] . speedy rhinos are good , but being open toped is not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 im not concerned at all bring it on emo guys or as an old wolf player i know use to often quote"bring your mates i fancy a work out" on a more serious tack im happy the blood angels are getting a dex they deserve it and as a chapter they have some good back ground fluff,but im still a wolf ill always be a wolf and i realy think were the most flexibale for the cost army around thats how we combat them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well looks like there will be a bunch of grey colored blood angel armies now :blush: Honestly, how do you think all the other space marine armies felt when the Space Wolves came out. Probably the exact same thing some people are thinking here. It's GW, it's ever evolving. Suck it up? +1. Get used to the fact you're not the number one marine dex anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Funny thing is the BA now fiddle with Chaos trinkets :blush: - I'm referring to the fluff of the Blood forged blade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I too saw the leaked BA dex.. you gotta take a LD test for Furious Charge and only if you roll a 7 or more.. so 25% chance you'll get it. Even then.. it seems unreliable. I too say bring it on red emo guys. My wolves will be waiting. Although I am quite worried about Mephiston.. He's a freaking beast.... The rest don't seem TOO bad. Yea I was happy to see even VAS costing 25/model... so just fast marines that we can still kill quite easily, meh. It will be fun indeed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Utsujin, 7+ on a leadership test is 58% of the time. Thats without the item that lets you roll 3d6 and pick 2. Also, there are ways to get Furious Charge without needing the roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192127-blood-angels/#findComment-2281724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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